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hey everybody how is it going i hope

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you're all doing really well happy

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saturday

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um

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i hope you're all doing well i've been

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looking forward to this one swoof for a

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few weeks now

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well bear with me

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multiple sounds i'm such an amateur i'm

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such an amateur my apologies um

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yeah so what i'd like to do before i

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introduce our guests is i just want to

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take a moment to remember someone in

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this community that unfortunately

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recently passed ethereal aura was a

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friend of this channel but also many

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many channels and was just an

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exceptional human being so i just wanted

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to to mention ethereal aura and

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i hope you all keep him in your thoughts

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and uh

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yeah sad times but

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the journey continues um so there we go

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um now one thing i also want to

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reiterate is that this is not just an

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interview this is more of a conversation

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between friends we're not here to put

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people in the hot seat and try and

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draw out as much information as we can

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get this is this is not about that um so

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you know

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just wanted to lay that out there

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so let's bring in some guests this first

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gentleman is the co-host of that ufo

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podcast he's my colleague at uap media

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uk

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and he is the best travel companion and

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housemate that you could ask for uh it

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is mr dan zetterstrom

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how's it going

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well it was a nice introduction and

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i just want to reiterate uh the point

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you made about ethereal aura um you guys

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might have seen us that we were posting

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videos and things like that you might

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have seen this guy um

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this was being carried in the name of

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ethereal aura so um

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you know he was there with us in spirit

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and i think that he thoroughly enjoyed

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the journey and and you know we we won't

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forget him

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absolutely well said um my next guest is

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retired u.s navy master at arms his

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continuing efforts include projects on

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consciousness ancient indigenous culture

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and ufo uap destigmatization he is also

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the co-founder and strategic consultant

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for the think tank skyfort

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please welcome

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sean cahill sean how are you doing i'm

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well vinny how are you good to see you

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dan i'm absolutely fantastic thank you

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so much for joining me today well us

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our final guest is running slightly late

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i believe he's been on another interview

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and i completely understand he probably

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needs some time to ground himself and

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and all that good stuff so we'll just

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get the conversation started and i'm

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going to start with a little bit of an

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elephant in the room which is

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i like to normally ease into things but

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with everything that's happening around

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us in the world right now i thought we'd

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just just talk about the ukraine and the

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situation i've had a lot of people

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asking me questions with regards to does

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it relate to disclosure in the uap

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subject

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so we can tackle it from that angle or

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we can just tackle it from the humanity

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aspect so either of you gentlemen want

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to chime in please be my guest

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i wouldn't know where to go to connect

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it to the subject of uap

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um i wouldn't even even know where to

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begin to fictionalize a tale like that

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at the moment um

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the geopolitical situation is one that

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you know as any it's multifaceted and

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it's it's based upon

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specific ideologies or wants or needs

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um as a populace i i feel like we're

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we're inundated with information but at

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the least informed as we've ever been

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um so i i feel like i'm at a point now

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where i don't i couldn't even say what

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the situation is i can say what the

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situation a lot of people are telling me

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but it's it's a it's a different time we

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live in now

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absolutely dan any thoughts

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the there was this interesting moment

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when we were in colombia where i

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and since any of us had actually read

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the news

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what happened what's happening with

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ukraine and russia was you know

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but it kind of fell away

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um and we were just left with this human

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connection in some

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ways across the blitzkel isle as well

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with us were totally opposite

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but it's moments like this and kind of

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coming back to this world that you

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realize that that connection is what

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keeps us going and as horrifying as the

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news is

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you know remember that phrase to look

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for the helpers because

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i find that so much more powerful than

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looking at you know the greed of one

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madman

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into my next sort of i was gonna say

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question but it's not really it's a

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talking point and that's what does it

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mean to be human

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you know with everything that's going on

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and how does that put us in a place with

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to draw a metaphor to because

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we're looking at a perfect examples of

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human failure all around us right now

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and a lot of times we focus on those

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because they they hurt the most and

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they're the most polarizing at the same

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time there has to be another side of

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that coin as dan said there have to be

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the helpers and and the people who are

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who are approaching this differently

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and i think that um

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as we said as i said earlier it's a

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modern world but that given that we have

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more people now who understand words

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like mindfulness or self-awareness

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and and just or grace

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as as it pertains to the way we should

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treat each other and it would seem to me

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that at this point in our history we

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should be able to fix these problems

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where there was not an initial act of

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aggression on the local forces

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in any way shape or form that what we're

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saber-rattling strategic nonsense and

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that's ultimately going to to end lives

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and destroy property

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there should be a way around that now we

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should be better than that and

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i think more of us should should stomp

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our foot and yell at the bad man less

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and say why is it that we can't reach

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the bad man and bad people of the world

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and and ask them to compromise because

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there certainly is enough to go around

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differently and and i'm not

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leaning towards one political ideology

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or another i think they're all crap

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frankly because they all draw fences

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around smaller and smaller groups and we

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should be trying to break those fences

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down increase our circles increase the

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circle of humanity and and

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strangely enough at this modern point in

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our era we're tribalizing further we're

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polarizing further

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and we're picking smaller and smaller

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sides and then hiding from the rest of

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wishy-washy nonsense well

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sooner or later you have to turn the

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other cheek or you're just fighting

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someone has to at some point now whether

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and unfortunately most of us don't want

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to be the person that does that

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we want the other person to and i think

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whatever the phenomenon is as a whole

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i mean i this was one of the questions i

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had written down that i was really

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sean appeared for a little context with

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people sean appeared on the that ufo

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podcast discord yesterday and he was

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what question you know we we should ask

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lou to to elicit a very interesting

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the question of what it means to be

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human came up um so this is definitely

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one where i'd rather listen than ask um

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and so i'm gonna i'm gonna politically

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not a problem at all well since we're

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friends i'm going to give dan hell over

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that because

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we spend a lot of our personal time

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talking about just that subject and um

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dan's somebody that i rely on for his

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insight he's uh dan's a beautiful soul

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if you know him you know that's true and

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you also know that there's there's a

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hell of an intellect and a heart behind

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that soul too

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yeah i'm not gonna make it that easy for

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i've got to watch you

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as a human you've got to watch me as a

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human we've talked about that kind of

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thing since you know since we met each

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we both shared some

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you know personal mistakes or or or

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journeys that we've been through

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i mean i've i've at least learned that

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you you

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you're one of those people that when i

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want to know what it is to be a human i

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turn to you so i'm sorry bro

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i want to hear what you have to say

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i can i can kind of i'm backing shawn on

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this one down because i was lucky enough

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to spend a lot of time with you recently

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and it it shines out of you man you know

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there's no way around it

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so what does it mean to be human for me

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the the notion of free wealth could come

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up but not in the sense that we get to

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make our own choices because very rarely

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do we we're often kind of just a product

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of our environment whether it's through

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you know gene memory or the society we

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were born into

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in the sense that we

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we get to choose on mass

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the way the energy we spend goes whether

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that's into

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better in ourselves or better in society

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or building a bigger bank account or

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something like that

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and i i think

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to be human is to

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be given the opportunity

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to make those better choices and to

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choose compassion to choose empathy

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every single time

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because if if you're doing something and

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it feels hard you're usually making the

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right choice i would say especially when

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it comes to compassion

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and you you kind of have to bury your

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your lesser instincts deep down and i i

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think just

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that moment of choice

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there is what it means to be human there

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aren't many other things to get to have

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that

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instant reflection i guess

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yeah well man how's that um

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that's amazing i'm sorry to kind of cut

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that chat i've just noticed we've got a

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five dollar super chat from thomas thank

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you so much thomas up says

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help sport vinnie and his service to

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disclosure thanks for bringing on lou

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sean with you and dan well as you can

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see across the bottom of the screen guys

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and i probably should have mentioned

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this at the start any superchats today

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will be donated to cair's ukraine crisis

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fund um i battled in my brain today

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about whether to do that or not because

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normally i turn super chats off for

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interviews with lou and i know it's

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gonna get or can potentially get

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bombarded with questions and things like

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that but

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i just thought you know what

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i can't feel bad for wanting to help um

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you know

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we've got a big ukrainian community here

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in sheffield in the north of england and

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i've seen things all over facebook today

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about people needing donations and

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things to help families and stuff so i

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thought

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i don't want to be made to feel bad for

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doing that so i'm just going to put it

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out there so sorry to kind of cut the

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conversation off down that was a great

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point and thank you thomas

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um let's move on um and sean i think

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this is probably more aimed at you and

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i'd like to talk about

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the the five pillars of uap engagement

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which i know um i'm sure you've had a

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massive role in

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that was something that i first spoke

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with lou about last year and i'm

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wondering has that been going as planned

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or have you had to kind of make

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alterations to to fit the way the

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the subject has been moving through the

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political realms and the social realms i

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suppose

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i believe that

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was it

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george patton i'm not sure that said

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that uh that plans are uh i'm gonna mess

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this quote up see i went to i went too

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hard i should have just said something

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vague um

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plant plans are

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are

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planning is essential

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plans are useless

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um

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and so having something like the five

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pillars

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it holds up ideals it gives you a

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baseline for how to operate and so

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certainly it has not gone

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in a linear um

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syllabus kind of way uh because as as

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our earlier discussion we're dealing

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with human beings we're not

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there's there's no aliens hiding that i

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know of that i can point to that we're

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dealing with so it's just human beings

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and so it's all of those same

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failings successes triumphs and

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um cognitive biases and personal

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relationships and all those other things

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so and and beyond that there is a we

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live in a world that our geopolitical

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landscape that most of us are

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either willingly or unwillingly

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participating in

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um doesn't

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recognize phenomena as an as a real

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thing an influence as part of the world

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we live in as part of the larger

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structure

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and

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so that means that that that what we

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call everyday life for real life

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which is a ridiculous phrase frankly

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because it's probably the most

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artificial thing that we're doing is

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what we call real life

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but that that artificial cultural

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construct that we all live in yanks

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every one of us back into into reality

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and changes the flow of information and

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and things like that and

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um

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i would say that that they're a

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masterful foundation but it has required

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lots of

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new lines to be run and things like that

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if i can stretch the metaphor

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excellent excellent and you feel like

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do you feel the media has been doing its

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job well enough with regards to to that

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my what my short welsh friend just

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realized that her mom got home

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yeah

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sorry

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yeah it's just the media do you think

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the media have been keeping up with i

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mean because i know they've been engaged

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and we've seen some good stuff but we've

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also seen

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some not so good stuff i'll put it like

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that

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well i think we have you know we we tend

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to lump people into categories and

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titles and things like that so you have

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the title of journalist

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and to us journalists should

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each of us have our own ideal as to what

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journalistic integrity means and

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but then within that pool of people who

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call themselves journalists or bloggers

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or or just writers in general we have a

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lot of different

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um

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wants expectations and needs by the

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people that are creating content or

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seeking out content to report

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so

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when we say is the media doing their job

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on the one hand yes they're certainly

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representing their advertisers

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but on the other hand

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what does our media investigate and what

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does our media report back to the

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populace and

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some people would say that i might be a

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hippie for saying it i don't think so i

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think it's a modern era to say that our

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our media and our social media

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manipulates us

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um that the algorithm looks for what

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gives us the quickest dopamine fix or or

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gets the most ad revenue

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um out of that content because that's

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who's paying for that content

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[Music]

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as much as i love the marvel movies and

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i love the cast and think they did a

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great job i have

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i'm not under any illusion that someone

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didn't do that for money

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and for personal gain and great created

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a great deal of power and influence

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that i don't i believe it's put right

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back into that same system i don't see

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it being shunted off into areas that

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would improve humanity

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so are they doing their job yeah i just

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i just think that their job

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at the end of the day doesn't

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necessarily benefit all of us and i i

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think i'm sure a lot of journalists

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would take that personally

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um

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but i think that if if we ask people to

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be more additive

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to the conversation they're having

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rather than polarizing rather than

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shocking um

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i i feel like we've we've kind of lost

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our way in in the fact that so many of

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us are willing to find an excuse to say

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it's not my fault

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i'm just reporting it or i'm just asking

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questions or i'm just playing devil's

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advocate or i'm just being contrary

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and

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at

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the media is not

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finding this

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as the important subject that it is

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they're not finding it as the world

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changing and world affecting subject

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that it is

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um

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it may be because it's too heavy

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but

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i do have we do have to ask the question

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is what are the what are the uh

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the people what are the advertisers

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interested in and how do we get around

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that being the control structure of our

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information system

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[Music]

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dan what do you think about the media i

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mean you can answer this from the uk

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perspective because of the way that

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unfortunately some of our tabloids are

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going at the moment what do you think

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sean is right it's almost like we have

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the wrong incentive to have conducive

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conversations to things that actually

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develop you know if the stock market

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tracked human happiness i'm sure we'd be

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discussing different things and how they

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affect the world right but instead we we

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all for some reason agreed that money

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was the way and tracking goods was the

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way and and now we're kind of in a

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position where

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you know the very the very mechanism

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that the western world functions by is

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being taken advantage of so we're not

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it's a very

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i kind of have to touch on ukraine a

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little bit because seeing how it's being

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portrayed in the media from different

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points of view all over the world

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simultaneously is really informing how i

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see the conflict you know we we read

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about world war one and world war ii and

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and the cuban missile crisis and all of

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these things and we have very unique

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perspectives on them because we're

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reading after the fact but actually

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living through one and one that we can

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see from multiple angles at the same

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time is

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i mean it's horrifying and

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it's as horrifying as it is interesting

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in some ways because you're seeing how

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that messages messages manipulated

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depending on

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what the incentive is for the person

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writing it

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so

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i i basically back what shawn said that

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we we should

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we essentially need some kind of

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institutional change that that shifts

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what we're actually after as a species

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and looking to the helpers as i said

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earlier it kind of shows the

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the winds of change coming through you

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know what was that quote that the the

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moral arc of the universe always bends

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towards justice and and i think you can

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see that in a lot of ways in the world

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right now especially through the media

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yeah i think we could segue right into

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politics on that because i mean

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again

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individuals make up groups

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groups present edifices

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and those groups are almost always made

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out of well-intentioned individuals

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you know most of any of us who've known

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a politician who's beginning their

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career they're the most invigorating

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believable authentic people that you can

566
00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:41,679
meet

567
00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:43,760
but 20 years later if they're still

568
00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:45,520
pacing the same halls they're not the

569
00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:47,200
same person that began that journey and

570
00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:48,640
they don't have this they seem to have

571
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:50,400
the same vigor or care

572
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:52,240
so i i don't want to you know i don't

573
00:20:55,590 --> 00:20:54,000
want to call out journalism

574
00:20:57,750 --> 00:20:55,600
as i want to say that we're talking

575
00:20:59,110 --> 00:20:57,760
about the media and i think the media is

576
00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:59,120
an edifice

577
00:21:02,549 --> 00:21:00,880
it has transcended that that

578
00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:02,559
individuality and it's become something

579
00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:04,720
that's almost self-sustaining

580
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:05,520
and

581
00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:09,440
systems like that how do you how do you

582
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:10,880
slow the wheel down enough without

583
00:21:14,830 --> 00:21:12,960
breaking it to make some changes

584
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:14,840
you know

585
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,880
absolutely i'm just looking at the time

586
00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:18,799
i noticed lou's not here i have sent him

587
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:20,720
a private message and he's not responded

588
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:23,360
so apologies to everyone watching i'm

589
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:24,559
sure it's not

590
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:26,640
purposefully um

591
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:27,679
we'll just

592
00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:29,280
have to wait and see we'll give him a

593
00:21:34,870 --> 00:21:30,960
break it's all good

594
00:21:37,990 --> 00:21:36,630
i'm just sorry i keep looking off to the

595
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:38,000
side because i've got notes and

596
00:21:43,590 --> 00:21:40,400
questions and and i'm gonna jump between

597
00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:43,600
a few sean if you don't mind because

598
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:46,240
you mentioned something on um last night

599
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:48,480
with that ufo podcast on the discord

600
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:49,760
about sighting that you had of a

601
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:51,440
triangle now that's something i'd never

602
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:52,799
heard of before and i just wondered if

603
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:54,559
you'd dream

604
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:56,720
sure if you'd be okay just to tell us

605
00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:58,480
about it again

606
00:22:03,350 --> 00:21:59,840
um

607
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:03,360
i i purposely up and up until recently

608
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:04,720
haven't talked too much about any

609
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:07,200
sightings that i've had um i don't feel

610
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:08,960
that as an individual my sightings are

611
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,480
compelling enough that they provide

612
00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:12,480
evidence they're just anecdotal

613
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:14,320
so it's something that i add to the to

614
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:16,240
the pile of other other people's stories

615
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:18,720
and look for for connections

616
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:20,880
but um i'll give you a more detailed

617
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:22,640
explanation um

618
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:24,480
it was probably around

619
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:26,720
11 30 it was near midnight i think

620
00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:29,039
between the hours of 11 and midnight my

621
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:31,679
family was asleep um it had been a long

622
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:33,600
day i was for some reason i was still in

623
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:35,840
my uniform i was still in khakis

624
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:37,919
and um i was sitting outside chain

625
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:39,600
smoking and playing a video game called

626
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:40,960
e-republic

627
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:41,919
um

628
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:43,840
and i've been hyper-focused you know

629
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:46,559
very tunnel visioned um on the screen

630
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:47,919
you know to the point that i didn't even

631
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:49,919
see the whole world around me because

632
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:51,360
you know how it is you can when you're i

633
00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:52,720
was outside in the dark at a little

634
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:54,880
bistro table in my yard

635
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:56,240
um

636
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:58,159
and looking back i wasn't a meditator at

637
00:23:02,789 --> 00:22:59,840
the time but looking back that was that

638
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:02,799
was flow state i was i was in flow i was

639
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:05,200
writing and playing the

640
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:06,799
the game and

641
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:08,400
very focused

642
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:10,960
and when i finally decided just to just

643
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:12,640
to reach up and close the computer

644
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:13,840
because i knew it was getting too late i

645
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:15,919
had to be up early and everything else

646
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:17,919
i closed the computer

647
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:19,919
and i stood up and i was standing just

648
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:22,960
outside my front door facing due east

649
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:24,400
smoking a cigarette

650
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:27,200
and i was looking out at a clear totally

651
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:28,559
clear night sky

652
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,480
and i was looking at the stars that were

653
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:32,240
above the horizon

654
00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:34,159
and they were blinking they were going

655
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,760
away

656
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:37,200
the stars were

657
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:39,280
basically you know being occluded by

658
00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:40,480
something

659
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:42,640
and i could tell that this thing was

660
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:45,760
moving from the horizon slowly

661
00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:47,360
because of the way that stars were

662
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:48,880
disappearing but i couldn't figure out

663
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:50,480
if i was looking at a

664
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:52,240
large rain cloud

665
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:53,200
but

666
00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:54,400
i mean all these things were happening

667
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:56,640
at once and a lot of it the recall is is

668
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:58,640
is weird to try to do but i knew the

669
00:24:02,230 --> 00:24:00,240
wind was blowing in the opposite

670
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:02,240
direction a lot of things didn't make

671
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:04,480
sense and i'm squinting and really

672
00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:06,640
getting interested in what this thing is

673
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:09,279
and as it starts to actually the apex of

674
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:11,200
it starts to actually go over the top of

675
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:12,720
my house

676
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:14,799
and if people are going to ask me the

677
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:16,720
the altitude it's really hard to gauge

678
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:18,640
because the size of the thing

679
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:19,760
was

680
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,240
ridiculous

681
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:24,480
so it was at least it seemed to be at

682
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:26,960
least a couple football fields wide

683
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:29,600
meaning a couple of hundred yards from

684
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:31,520
tip to tip

685
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:32,799
i guess that would mean you know

686
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:35,679
equilateral because it was equilateral

687
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:39,840
it had no lights that i could see

688
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:41,360
it was reflecting now that i think about

689
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:43,200
it was reflecting a small amount of moon

690
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:44,559
light

691
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:47,039
and i heard the wind going over

692
00:24:51,029 --> 00:24:49,039
it seemed i heard the wind as it was

693
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:51,039
moving you know i heard the wind over

694
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:52,400
the outside of the craft as if you were

695
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:54,080
loop moving something large through the

696
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:56,880
air but there's no engine sound

697
00:25:02,230 --> 00:24:59,760
as it passed overhead i was kind of

698
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:02,240
going ape i mean i was i just couldn't

699
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:07,029
the tic tac had been

700
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:09,760
five or six months before

701
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:12,240
and there was a 48 hour period on board

702
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:13,840
the ship where i knew we had had a

703
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:15,760
roswell type event

704
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:18,320
that should go down in history

705
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:20,799
um and we didn't seem to care about it

706
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,799
and i i think i kind of

707
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:24,480
compartmentalized that you know i went a

708
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:25,919
lot of different directions with it i

709
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:27,679
just assumed that's probably us that was

710
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:29,520
a really safe feeling to have knowing i

711
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:30,720
didn't want to be floating out for the

712
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:31,520
next

713
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:34,159
12 years knowing that there was

714
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:36,320
crazy tech surrounding us um so who

715
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:37,840
knows what i did psychologically but

716
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:40,480
five five or so months later

717
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:41,760
i just wasn't ready to turn around and

718
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:43,279
see that

719
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:44,400
um

720
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:47,200
and i as it went over the top as it went

721
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:49,440
overhead it sped up

722
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:50,720
and we used to have these two really

723
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:52,799
large palm trees for reference that i

724
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:54,880
turned around and i watched it go over

725
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:56,480
the top of the palm tree

726
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,159
and i was going to lose sight of it

727
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:00,640
right behind the palm tree

728
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,520
and i ran to the the west end of my yard

729
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:05,279
and jumped up on this rickety table we

730
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:06,720
had built

731
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:08,400
and i remembered the next morning

732
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:10,880
because i busted off the um the

733
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:13,360
bistro umbrella it's wooden i had this

734
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:14,640
little brass thing in the middle and i

735
00:26:18,149 --> 00:26:16,000
just cracked it right in half jumping up

736
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:18,159
on the table to catch one last glimpse

737
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:20,400
of this thing as it tipped over on its

738
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:23,120
port wing edge and just we have this

739
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:25,120
term in the navy called we say zorched

740
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:28,400
it's just zorched it just it was and i

741
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:30,559
say it got smaller or it went away

742
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:33,440
because without sound and light

743
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:35,760
reference and no effect

744
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:37,520
you know given that we're talking about

745
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:39,520
the phenomenon we assume

746
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:42,159
um i can't say exactly what it did it

747
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:45,120
just receded it went away from my vision

748
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:46,880
and perception

749
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:49,039
and i stood on top of that table for

750
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:52,240
probably five minutes just jaw a gate

751
00:27:02,470 --> 00:26:59,750
i just went to bed

752
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:02,480
i never told anybody about that i mean i

753
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:03,679
drew it

754
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:07,679
i i wrote down what happened um

755
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:09,360
but i wasn't somebody who was like holy

756
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:12,240
crap i just saw a giant ufo

757
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:14,640
no i i told friends and family about the

758
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:16,960
tic tac incident like i said there was

759
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:18,640
i wasn't asked to sign an nda there was

760
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:21,360
no classification around it

761
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:22,960
and so when it came out in the news it

762
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:24,320
was they knew exactly what they were

763
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:25,679
looking at friends and family they were

764
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,600
the ones that were telling me about the

765
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:29,600
times article

766
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:34,630
people ask me what did you think it was

767
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:36,000
where do you think it's from i don't

768
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:37,679
have any of those answers it was a big

769
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:39,520
black triangle it didn't make any noise

770
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:41,679
it was going super slow and it was way

771
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:42,960
too big

772
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:46,240
yeah and at this point in my career my

773
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:48,000
second career of what we all do with

774
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:50,480
this subject i don't believe that was

775
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:52,320
tech made by

776
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:53,919
you and i or anybody with an email

777
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:56,480
address or that pays taxes or

778
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:58,720
or lives in the world that we operate in

779
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:01,279
i don't i can't find a way to make that

780
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:02,480
fit

781
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:03,919
um

782
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:06,159
but i know i saw what i saw and when i

783
00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:07,840
got up got back up in the morning i went

784
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:09,200
out and the

785
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:11,120
umbrella was broken

786
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:12,960
and the cigarette butts were on the

787
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:14,880
ground next to the table

788
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:16,880
and i have a memory and i have a period

789
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:24,630
yeah i get it i get it and yeah

790
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:26,399
i'm sorry i'm sorry to interrupt i was

791
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:28,159
just going to say you said that a lot of

792
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:29,840
friends who or family that you told were

793
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:31,440
saying you know what is it or what do

794
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:34,480
you think it is my first response to

795
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:37,039
to question you on that would be did it

796
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:39,520
did your views on it change over the

797
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:41,840
years between when it happened and in

798
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:44,480
between to now and the way you've

799
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:46,799
revisited it in your head

800
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:49,120
yeah yeah um

801
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:51,520
for me o4 for a long time i just assumed

802
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:53,760
the tic tac was our tech

803
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:55,919
um and i was i was ready to accept that

804
00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:58,960
it wasn't you know once i saw proof

805
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:01,600
but at that time and then as i said the

806
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:03,520
way that my our chain of command reacted

807
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:04,960
some of the senior people in that chain

808
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,720
of command just not concerned now i know

809
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:10,559
there's been significant evidence

810
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:12,240
presented to some people who look at it

811
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:14,399
and go yeah so what

812
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:16,240
i don't know why that happens for some

813
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:18,000
people i don't know why some people take

814
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:20,000
evidence more seriously than others

815
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:21,520
the triangle

816
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:22,559
i got to be honest with you i just

817
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:24,960
didn't think about it

818
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:25,679
i

819
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:30,640
um

820
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:32,320
i i had a good friendship with a couple

821
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:34,320
of people that we had uh we had filmed

822
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:35,360
with

823
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:36,159
and

824
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:39,679
we maintained the chat about the

825
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:41,840
phenomenon in general

826
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:46,470
we had um

827
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:48,000
sorry i kind of lost my train of thought

828
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:49,919
um

829
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:52,240
we really talked about you know what

830
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:53,760
what's

831
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:55,760
sorry there the the dogs for some reason

832
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:56,960
the dog's getting me

833
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:00,080
um here on the side okay absolutely fine

834
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:05,029
they my friends asked me this

835
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:07,039
we would have these conversations and i

836
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:08,240
would be like i kind of had an

837
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:09,919
experience like that once because i've

838
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:12,159
seen i've seen a lot of this stuff in my

839
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:13,120
life

840
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:15,600
um and i've gone i realized

841
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:17,279
i wasn't really keeping track of any of

842
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:19,600
that i didn't have a real log of it i

843
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:22,000
didn't hadn't put it all in one place

844
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:23,200
and

845
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:24,640
my friends knew that i had a big white

846
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:26,799
board in my garage where i had my my

847
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:28,000
office set up

848
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:29,679
and they said why don't you

849
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:31,279
why don't you take some time meditate

850
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:33,200
and try you know just then go up to the

851
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:34,640
white board and just start writing down

852
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:36,320
everything weird that ever happened

853
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,600
everything that ever had you know every

854
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:39,360
time you ever questioned

855
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:40,559
um

856
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,880
frankly reality because some something

857
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:44,640
was poking in there or appearing that

858
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:47,919
didn't seem like it should um

859
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:51,760
there was a big list um and i had a bit

860
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:54,000
of a

861
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:56,000
i don't want to not a breakdown i would

862
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:59,120
say i was emotional i was in the kitchen

863
00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:00,559
um

864
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:02,080
and i was leaning against the counter

865
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:03,600
and my wife came down she saw that i

866
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:05,919
mean when you see a big dude like me

867
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:08,000
with puffy eyes and tears on his face

868
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:10,559
you want to know what's going on

869
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:12,640
and i told her i said i filled the white

870
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:14,559
board in the garage with memories and

871
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:16,960
really weird stuff and you know and as

872
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:18,720
everyone i remembered kind of brought up

873
00:31:21,669 --> 00:31:20,320
another one and i got to the end and i

874
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:21,679
kind of felt like i was losing my

875
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:23,519
marbles because i was like what what's

876
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:25,679
going on in my life

877
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:27,760
um

878
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:29,519
so what made it even easier and i'm

879
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:31,679
being sarcastic is that as she leans in

880
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:33,600
to give me this huge hug

881
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,919
and leans her head on my chest looking

882
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:37,679
both of us are looking towards the sink

883
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:39,039
in the kitchen

884
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:41,200
basically we watch a

885
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:43,919
a cereal bowl jump over a bunch of other

886
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:46,799
stuff into the sink

887
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:50,159
and we saw it in broad daylight

888
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,080
and we both just immediately broke our

889
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:54,240
embrace and kind of did that curious dog

890
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:55,360
look

891
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:58,000
and then just started saying

892
00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:00,480
things it must be it oh it must have

893
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:02,000
slid if something must have moved when

894
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:03,519
we weren't looking it must have slid

895
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:05,279
there's water on the counter there must

896
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:06,480
be some kind of

897
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:08,240
surface tension

898
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:09,039
uh

899
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:11,360
and and then we were like and then one

900
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:12,320
of us looked at the other i can't

901
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:15,039
remember who it was like no that bowl

902
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,880
jumped over a bunch of crap and went

903
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,320
into the sink

904
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:20,559
and her knees got a little weak and i

905
00:32:23,509 --> 00:32:22,000
grabbed the counter and we just both

906
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:23,519
looked at each other and we were like

907
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:25,279
all right that happened

908
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:27,200
and now it's over

909
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:29,760
and looking back i think that that was

910
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:34,149
time

911
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:35,840
moments in my life went where i just

912
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:37,440
went

913
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:39,919
what the heck am i looking at

914
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:42,000
and then when i was down like well gotta

915
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:45,039
go get the groceries you know i mean

916
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,120
i i don't know that everybody has that

917
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:49,120
same reaction some people never come

918
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:51,840
back from that what the hell is it yeah

919
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:53,279
and i don't know if they've got it right

920
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:54,960
or if i've got it right

921
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:56,960
um

922
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:58,159
but it's

923
00:33:03,269 --> 00:33:01,200
now i don't i don't know what they are i

924
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:03,279
know what shape they are i know what we

925
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:05,600
all assume they are we you know we all

926
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:07,200
assume we like to call them aliens but

927
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:09,120
i've been exposed to so many

928
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:10,640
different

929
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:13,039
iterations or possibilities that fall

930
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,760
under that that that term

931
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:17,519
you know we don't we haven't put too

932
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:18,960
much time into considering that

933
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:20,480
something else and could be living here

934
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:22,880
with us in the oceans or or or in an

935
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:24,559
environment that we don't access or

936
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:26,640
necessarily perceive

937
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:28,480
the way they operate tells us that our

938
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:36,070
the the reports from witnesses

939
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:36,960
and

940
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:39,919
so-called experiencers tell us that

941
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:42,880
that when we our psychology books aren't

942
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:45,120
finished being written

943
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:47,279
and the way that it all dovetails into

944
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:50,000
our religious mythos across the globe

945
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:52,080
tells us that we don't even have a

946
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:55,200
consolidated world view of spirit

947
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:01,350
what do you do but just go help we all

948
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:02,640
need to help each other with this you

949
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:03,760
know and and

950
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:06,080
so it's that's the conversation that

951
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:07,440
we've been talking about for so long

952
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,960
that we need to change

953
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:10,480
is just the acknowledgement that it's

954
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:13,280
real i mean all of some as as i say like

955
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:14,879
a broken record those of us in the

956
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:16,800
community that pay attention

957
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:18,480
have a wealth of knowledge or have been

958
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:21,200
exposed to a wealth of ideas

959
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:22,879
that your average person hasn't taken a

960
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:24,480
minute to do beyond an occasional

961
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:26,879
ancient aliens or or you know maybe a

962
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:28,960
science fiction movie

963
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:30,320
so

964
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:32,639
it's daunting

965
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,879
but here we are i mean we are another

966
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:36,800
one of those positive conversations

967
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:39,599
trying to be additive not not saying i'm

968
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:41,679
going to put on this this very safe

969
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:43,359
skeptic's hat

970
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:44,960
you know or contrarian hat and i'm going

971
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:47,040
to cherry pick things that fit a

972
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:49,040
negative narrative that i intend to

973
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:50,159
prove

974
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:51,119
that

975
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:53,839
i just i just caged it very negatively

976
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:56,000
but at the end of the day we need

977
00:35:02,390 --> 00:34:59,680
skeptics but skeptics have to

978
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:02,400
come along with the data as well yeah

979
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:04,800
it's to be a skeptic for the sake of

980
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:07,040
being a skeptic just kind of makes you

981
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:08,400
an a-hole

982
00:35:11,829 --> 00:35:09,839
i mean it's

983
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:11,839
in my opinion because what are you

984
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:13,920
building what are you leaving behind

985
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:21,430
no you're right absolutely

986
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:23,040
i could probably could pull a million

987
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:24,240
questions out of that that was

988
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:26,160
incredible thank you so much

989
00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:28,000
i was picturing it as you spoke to it

990
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:30,079
the bowl jumping in my head and

991
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:32,720
imagining my reaction and

992
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:34,640
i don't think i'd handle it as well as

993
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:37,599
you did to be honest

994
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:38,480
um

995
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:41,119
yeah i'm just going to take a minute to

996
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:43,680
stop right now to bring in our last

997
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:46,079
guest please welcome

998
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:49,200
mr lou elizondo how's it going lou

999
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:52,320
hey chance forgive me i totally suck i

1000
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:54,240
thought it was at uh two o'clock

1001
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:56,960
mountain time

1002
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:58,960
my calendar obviously look guys i'm

1003
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:00,800
obviously not technically proficient you

1004
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:03,280
know i my wife says i'm limited she's

1005
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:05,280
clearly right um

1006
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:07,040
you know when i was a kid my mother used

1007
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:09,040
to say can't have nice things so i i

1008
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:09,760
mean

1009
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:11,040
obviously i don't know how to use a

1010
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:14,240
calendar so mia culpa my apologies

1011
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:17,040
um so anyways here i am

1012
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:18,240
sorry

1013
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:19,760
it's all good i've been watching you

1014
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:22,240
previously on tony's channel fantastic

1015
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:25,119
conversation by the way so refreshing

1016
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:27,599
so refreshing um chris letter i've

1017
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:31,119
spoken to many times great guy alexi

1018
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:33,440
what a brain what a brain yeah a lot of

1019
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:35,119
fun you know really it was it was

1020
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:39,280
totally just more esoteric not uh really

1021
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:40,720
i mean there was a couple things uap

1022
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:41,839
related but

1023
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:44,320
you know it was neat to just kind of

1024
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:45,839
you know i always i always resist going

1025
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:47,920
down the rabbit hole um

1026
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:49,920
and uh you know sean will sometimes pull

1027
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:52,160
me down the rabbit hole uh kicking and

1028
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:54,880
screaming uh but it's good it's good to

1029
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:56,800
you know have conversations sometimes a

1030
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:58,800
little bit more esoteric because you

1031
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:00,720
know it forces you to think outside of

1032
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:02,320
your current paradigm right forces you

1033
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:04,400
to think outside of out of the nice neat

1034
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:06,160
little shiny box that we all build for

1035
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:07,280
ourselves

1036
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:09,119
that we're all comfortable in and you

1037
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:10,960
know sometimes you have to be outside of

1038
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:12,400
your comfort zone

1039
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:14,960
in order to to have new perspectives and

1040
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,880
so you know any i really appreciated

1041
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:18,480
that that conversation we had i thought

1042
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:19,280
it was

1043
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:23,760
for the record i'm not an expert in in

1044
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:27,040
in astrophysics or anything like that or

1045
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:30,160
her philosophy so uh it was more or less

1046
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:32,000
just you know personal perspectives

1047
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:33,839
being shared back and forth yeah

1048
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:35,680
absolutely it was a conversation

1049
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:37,520
it was you know even

1050
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:39,520
watching you lou be the one asking the

1051
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:41,359
questions was a breath of fresh air it

1052
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:43,760
was fantastic so yeah that was great

1053
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:44,960
thanks

1054
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:46,480
i hope i didn't monopolize a

1055
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:48,480
conversation my wife says i have a

1056
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:50,560
tendency to do that sometimes so i'm

1057
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:52,560
always trying to be mindful you know but

1058
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:54,000
i'm just so eager to

1059
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:56,000
to to share the conversation i love it

1060
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,160
you know uh maybe it's my you know being

1061
00:38:02,069 --> 00:38:00,400
latino we tend to we tend to talk over

1062
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:02,079
each other and it's just it's kind of

1063
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,200
cultural for us but uh i apologize if i

1064
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,680
if i seem to do that too much not at all

1065
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,599
not at all um just to bring you up to

1066
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:11,200
speed on what we've been chatting about

1067
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:13,520
we opened up with just a little

1068
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:14,880
brief chat about what's happening with

1069
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:17,520
the ukraine and that i um

1070
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:19,200
i just felt yeah you'd get the answer

1071
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:20,640
you know

1072
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:23,280
look guys what what a tragedy um you

1073
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:25,520
know this this ukraine incident is a lot

1074
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:27,920
like like the the titanic you know

1075
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:30,160
there's been a whole sequence of of

1076
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:33,520
missteps and calculations for us to

1077
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:36,240
to be where we are today um you know we

1078
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:37,760
can't just put our finger on one thing

1079
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:40,079
and say you know that's the reason why

1080
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:43,359
um this has been a long time coming and

1081
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:45,599
you know this is proof that

1082
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:46,960
you know there are still bullies in the

1083
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:48,240
world

1084
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:50,000
there are there are individuals out

1085
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:51,200
there

1086
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:53,359
that don't have necessarily the best

1087
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:56,640
interests of their fellow man um i you

1088
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:58,960
know it's it's very very sad

1089
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:00,640
and especially with someone like russia

1090
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:02,640
who by the way are very very capable

1091
00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:05,520
these folks are extremely

1092
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:07,839
extremely intelligent they conduct

1093
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:11,119
warfare asymmetrically um they are you

1094
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:13,359
know you're looking at at true chess

1095
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:15,440
masters that understand the chess board

1096
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:17,920
uh in some cases even better than us

1097
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:19,760
and so um

1098
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:22,560
you know this is this is no joke um

1099
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:24,480
this is there's people's lives at stake

1100
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:25,119
and

1101
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:28,880
um

1102
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:31,440
yeah it's

1103
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:33,280
it's disheartening and you know i'll

1104
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:34,560
tell you what though let this be a

1105
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,720
reminder

1106
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:38,400
you know this isn't fear-mongering this

1107
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:40,320
is reality

1108
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:42,160
what happened in the ukraine and what's

1109
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:43,760
happening in ukraine can happen in other

1110
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:44,880
places

1111
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,320
and this is why we have to remain

1112
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:48,480
diligent and why we always

1113
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:51,520
can't take for granted you know um

1114
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:53,680
our our our country and our elected

1115
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:55,280
officials we

1116
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:58,640
as a citizens as a people

1117
00:40:02,550 --> 00:39:59,680
must

1118
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:02,560
have an active

1119
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:05,760
in our governance

1120
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:07,440
we can never allow

1121
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:09,440
other people to just make decisions on

1122
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:11,520
our behalf

1123
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:13,359
and that's why we have to elect good

1124
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:15,760
people into into office

1125
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:18,800
so we can make good decisions and

1126
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:20,160
you know hopefully avoid things like

1127
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:21,599
this happening

1128
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:23,280
in the future again i'm not laying blame

1129
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:25,359
to any particular side this is you know

1130
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:27,359
this is not time for that this is just

1131
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:29,359
recognizing that there's a lot of people

1132
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:31,040
suffering in the world right now a lot

1133
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:33,280
you know my wife's background is eastern

1134
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:34,800
european in fact

1135
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:36,079
um

1136
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:37,680
you know for a long time we would tell

1137
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:39,839
people czechoslovakian or hungarian but

1138
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:42,000
in reality it's it's she her family

1139
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,480
comes from a small town in the ukraine

1140
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:46,800
and um yeah this has been this has been

1141
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:49,680
tough this has been tough um you know

1142
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:51,440
especially civilians you know you never

1143
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:53,680
you never wanna warfare is bad enough as

1144
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:55,920
it is but but when you involve

1145
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:58,240
civilians and and and women and children

1146
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:01,119
and and i i just you know it's it's

1147
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:03,040
terrible

1148
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:05,359
yeah sorry my wife is just busting here

1149
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:08,160
reminding me i for the record i'm on and

1150
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,520
i'm with vinnie and dan and sean

1151
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:13,200
yes i know the time was off i was late

1152
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:16,000
by half an hour okay yeah

1153
00:41:18,829 --> 00:41:17,520
all right

1154
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:18,839
you can beat me

1155
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:20,400
later

1156
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:23,200
they said hi uh yeah i i know it was on

1157
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,359
my calendar for two and then the things

1158
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:27,520
started going crazy and i'm like oh my

1159
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:28,480
god

1160
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:30,240
something happened so my wife just came

1161
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:32,079
in here to remind me the same thing

1162
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,640
oh that's lovely um

1163
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:36,400
and if jennifer does have any family and

1164
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:38,000
relatives over there obviously our

1165
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:39,520
thoughts are with them as well as the

1166
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:42,160
rest of the population so uh yeah thank

1167
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,520
you for

1168
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:45,359
your insight into that as well though um

1169
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:46,960
one of the point we touched upon i asked

1170
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:49,440
a question to sean um regarding the five

1171
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:51,520
pillars of uap engagement which you

1172
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:53,359
brought to us last year

1173
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:55,359
and my question was whether

1174
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:57,200
between when it

1175
00:42:01,990 --> 00:41:59,839
when you first told us about it to now

1176
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:02,000
has it had to be altered slightly at all

1177
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:03,280
to fit with the way that things have

1178
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:05,040
gone politically and

1179
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:06,319
socially

1180
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:08,079
well actually the pillars have been

1181
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,000
there all along for the last four years

1182
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:12,720
um right i just decided to to you know

1183
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:14,160
for some people because you know they

1184
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:15,839
keep asking the same question well

1185
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:18,640
what's your strategy and you know it

1186
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:20,880
we do have a strategy um you know but of

1187
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:22,640
course you know like everybody will tell

1188
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:24,880
you you know war plans are only as good

1189
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:26,640
as until you start to start the battle

1190
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,480
and then you know you start with new

1191
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:30,480
ones um because nothing ever goes like

1192
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:32,880
like you think it will so we always have

1193
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:35,359
to be flexible um you know this is what

1194
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:37,680
i think what makes the team so good

1195
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:40,480
um because you have people like sean and

1196
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:42,000
folks and other folks you know frankly

1197
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:43,200
folks like you that can bring new

1198
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:46,000
perspectives as the environment changes

1199
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:46,720
as

1200
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:49,280
the landscape changes uh you have to be

1201
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,440
prepared to adapt to that um i think the

1202
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:53,280
strategy is the same but you know if the

1203
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:54,880
good thing about a good strategy is you

1204
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:56,720
never have to uh

1205
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:59,280
you know you can if it's a if it's good

1206
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:01,119
if it's a really good strategy you can

1207
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:03,040
stay on that strategy and it's and it's

1208
00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:04,480
in such a way that allows you the

1209
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:05,839
flexibility

1210
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:08,720
uh to to maneuver right it allows you to

1211
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:11,440
adjust lift and shift as we like to say

1212
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:13,280
so um

1213
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:14,640
yeah i think

1214
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:16,160
i think we always have to be prepared to

1215
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:17,920
be to be flexible

1216
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:19,040
because

1217
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:20,880
people are people and and new issues

1218
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:23,359
come up and new revelations and new

1219
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:25,040
information and you have to be prepared

1220
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:26,400
to absorb that

1221
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:27,920
into your calculus you know and

1222
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:30,000
sometimes sometimes if you're lucky not

1223
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:32,079
unlucky but if you're lucky it actually

1224
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:34,160
will help reshape how you look at things

1225
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:35,839
and and think of things in your your

1226
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:37,040
approach

1227
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:39,119
and so that's always fun when when you

1228
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,480
have new information that's kind of

1229
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,400
revelatory right and and you're now

1230
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:44,400
forced to reassess okay well

1231
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:46,400
is it time for us to to put more

1232
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:48,000
pressure on this column or on this

1233
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:49,680
column or on that column

1234
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:51,440
and and that's a deliberative process

1235
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,960
this isn't you know world according to

1236
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:54,480
lou or world according to chris mellon

1237
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:56,880
or the us government or anybody else

1238
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:58,640
this is we all we all have this

1239
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:00,800
conversation together and and sean has

1240
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:02,800
been a critical part of that you all

1241
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,880
have been part of that your audience has

1242
00:44:07,750 --> 00:44:06,560
been part of that uh you know a lot of

1243
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:07,760
the people in the audience may not

1244
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:09,839
realize that they're an integral piece

1245
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:11,200
to this you know they say well what do i

1246
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:12,640
what have i been able to do well have

1247
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:14,720
you written your congressman or

1248
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:16,560
representative or your elected official

1249
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:18,160
in your country over the last four years

1250
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:20,079
if you have guess what you're part of it

1251
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:21,760
have you have you had a conversation

1252
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:23,680
over a water cooler maybe at work or

1253
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,119
over in the dining room table with a

1254
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:26,880
family member well guess what if you

1255
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:28,240
have your part of it

1256
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:29,280
um

1257
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:30,800
you know this is this is something that

1258
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:33,760
we're all engaged in collectively and uh

1259
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:36,160
it's it's beautiful to see you know it

1260
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:37,680
really is to see how far we've come we

1261
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:40,000
now have law historic for the first time

1262
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:42,160
ever in u.s government history

1263
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:43,040
law

1264
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:45,040
on on this topic and you've got a bunch

1265
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:46,240
of other things that are happening for

1266
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:48,160
the first time ever

1267
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,680
in this country you know you have the

1268
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:51,359
acknowledgement by by senior level

1269
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:53,200
officials you have you have people

1270
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:54,880
testifying congress and in order for

1271
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,119
them to get their job let's say the dod

1272
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:59,520
ig they owe some answers to congress on

1273
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:00,560
what they're going to do about this

1274
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:02,640
topic right i mean this is open hearing

1275
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:03,680
this is like

1276
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:05,920
holy crap guys you know this is this is

1277
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:07,280
for the record for ever and ever and

1278
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:08,960
ever and ever and ever

1279
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:09,760
so

1280
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:11,680
yeah it's um

1281
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:13,359
i guess in short i think we're doing

1282
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:14,880
quite well but of course you always have

1283
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:16,800
to be flexible to be prepared to to lift

1284
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:18,480
and shift your priorities as

1285
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:21,200
as the environment evolves

1286
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:23,599
yeah absolutely excuse me and you

1287
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:25,040
mentioned there the audience and people

1288
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:27,119
saying well what have i done if they're

1289
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:28,720
sort of just

1290
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:30,480
absorbing the information and the videos

1291
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:32,160
and everything i mean i think that

1292
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:33,839
that's great in itself that they're

1293
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:37,520
actively just interested but for anybody

1294
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:39,359
that actually did want to take that next

1295
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:40,960
step whether it be researching

1296
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:42,319
investigating

1297
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:43,760
i mean i've had a lot of people say to

1298
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:45,520
me but it's too

1299
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:47,359
it's it's too much of a big step for me

1300
00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:53,829
to talk about it i think you know what

1301
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:55,359
i'm trying to say like how can people

1302
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:56,960
get more involved

1303
00:46:02,630 --> 00:45:59,359
i think sean's got some ideas

1304
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:02,640
i'd face that a lot because we um

1305
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:05,359
we talk about you know a larger team we

1306
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:08,400
talk about a you know that the audience

1307
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:10,000
and some of the people that are at the

1308
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:12,079
center of this maybe that they are on

1309
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:14,560
the same team and i believe that i truly

1310
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:15,280
do

1311
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:16,160
but

1312
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:18,800
just as there is with our our political

1313
00:46:22,190 --> 00:46:20,720
process where a lot of us

1314
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:22,200
have ceded a certain amount of

1315
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:24,480
responsibility to others

1316
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,400
um and are assuming that they're going

1317
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:28,560
to act in our stead and do what's right

1318
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:29,920
for us

1319
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:31,760
if you're truly interested you have to

1320
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:33,280
find out where you've ceded that

1321
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:35,119
responsibility to others and you have to

1322
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:36,319
take it back

1323
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:38,720
um so in this case a lot of people want

1324
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:41,280
to make that jump to be and i'll just go

1325
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:42,720
point blank and say they want to be on

1326
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:46,480
our team and in our room or on our phone

1327
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:47,440
tree

1328
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:49,280
and

1329
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:52,079
yes we need a lot of help but it's not a

1330
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:53,839
blanket call

1331
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:56,240
for a grassroots constituency it's not a

1332
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:58,000
rabble it's not a mob

1333
00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:59,839
and so first you have to find your own

1334
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:01,920
place you have to find out first of all

1335
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:04,720
what is your ideology how unshakable is

1336
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:07,040
it how far are you willing to take it

1337
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:08,400
and then you need to take the steps to

1338
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:09,920
do that it's not a question of someone

1339
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:12,400
else allowing you access or pointing you

1340
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:13,920
in the right direction

1341
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,319
it really is if you're going to dedicate

1342
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:18,480
yourself to to

1343
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:20,160
let me make a metaphor

1344
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:22,640
the general public is at the center of

1345
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:25,280
this immense jungle

1346
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:28,000
of confirmation bias and

1347
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:29,760
incorrect information

1348
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:31,520
that all of us are collectively trying

1349
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:33,680
to hack our way through just to expose

1350
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:34,720
them

1351
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:37,440
to to a certain data set that we can all

1352
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:38,960
agree upon

1353
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:40,160
um

1354
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:43,280
that's an arduous trek this isn't easy

1355
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:45,040
and and so when people say how do i get

1356
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:47,520
involved first measure yourself

1357
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:50,160
and then act frankly whether it's

1358
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:52,240
finding a mufon near you starting your

1359
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:55,119
own local um just getting on a discord

1360
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:57,680
chat you know getting on reddit and

1361
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:58,880
getting in a different community

1362
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:00,319
something other than twitter that isn't

1363
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:04,000
so much polarizing or advert advertising

1364
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:05,359
um

1365
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:06,640
to me that's that's what's going to be

1366
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:08,800
most successful it's not a

1367
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:11,520
this is not a bandwagon it's not a

1368
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:14,240
it's not a genre it's not an aesthetic

1369
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:17,119
um it's not even a

1370
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:19,040
a collective ideology

1371
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:20,559
because you can't get five of us in the

1372
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:22,160
same room that have the same opinions

1373
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:23,680
about the unknown

1374
00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:24,559
so

1375
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:32,079
on

1376
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:33,839
sorry just real quick i'd like to add to

1377
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:35,839
that i think sean jobs is right look i

1378
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:37,200
think what we do if you want to know

1379
00:48:40,390 --> 00:48:38,319
what you can do

1380
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:40,400
lead by example let me give you let me

1381
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:43,119
give you a a real example there um can

1382
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:44,800
you guys hear me okay

1383
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:46,559
yeah yeah okay good

1384
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:48,160
um i'm having some trouble with my

1385
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:51,040
earpods um let me give an example

1386
00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:53,839
dan and i recently agreed to go ahead

1387
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:57,200
and use this platform of of the uap

1388
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:59,520
topic and ufo twitter

1389
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:00,319
to

1390
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:06,800
some folks um in for for saint jude

1391
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:08,400
right children

1392
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:11,119
who have cancer and have have

1393
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:12,960
life-threatening illnesses and also

1394
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:15,359
animal welfare right thousands and

1395
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:18,319
thousands of dollars was raised

1396
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:22,400
by the uap twitter community

1397
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:25,520
for a cause that wasn't even about ufos

1398
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:28,319
it was about humanity right now when in

1399
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:32,400
history has a ufo community ever donated

1400
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:34,720
to anything other than topics about ufos

1401
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:36,960
well guess what that just happened don't

1402
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:39,680
look now but but but the uap community

1403
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:41,200
just helped

1404
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:43,839
mankind writ large on something that has

1405
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:46,240
nothing to do about ufos right that's

1406
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:48,880
leading by example that's what i mean

1407
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:50,640
you're doing something you are an

1408
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:52,240
ambassador you're representing this

1409
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:54,160
topic and you're being generous and

1410
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:57,200
you're giving to to a worthy cause that

1411
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:59,280
that has nothing to do with the topic

1412
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:00,079
right

1413
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:02,960
you know that i i could be wrong but i

1414
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:07,119
don't ever remember any type of of ufo

1415
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:10,400
uh event where they donated 100 of the

1416
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:12,960
money to charity right to kids and

1417
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:14,000
animals i

1418
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:15,760
i don't and yet that's exactly what

1419
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,319
happened for the first time in perhaps

1420
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:20,640
perhaps i think it's true in the history

1421
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:23,200
of this community that we raised

1422
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:26,240
thousands and thousands of dollars that

1423
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:28,880
went to help kids and animals right

1424
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:30,400
people

1425
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:34,240
considered the topic of ufos

1426
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:35,839
that's what this community has been able

1427
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:37,920
to do and that's that's magic that's

1428
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:39,440
remarkable it didn't go to line the

1429
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:41,599
pockets of anybody it went to help

1430
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:43,760
people who have no idea we even exist

1431
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:45,280
and you know what we didn't even ask

1432
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:47,520
credit for it so yeah isn't that

1433
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:49,359
wonderful and and those those are some

1434
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:51,760
of the steps that we can do

1435
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:54,400
that if you know we you don't have to

1436
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:55,760
necessarily

1437
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:56,640
uh

1438
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:58,480
get out there with a with a with a you

1439
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:01,119
know black t-shirt that says you know

1440
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:03,119
ufos and i want to believe and you know

1441
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:04,480
let me talk to you

1442
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:06,880
uh it's it it's just about leading your

1443
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:08,960
life by example you know being a better

1444
00:51:12,069 --> 00:51:10,720
human being

1445
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:12,079
treat others

1446
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:13,440
you know the way you would want to be

1447
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:14,559
treated

1448
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:16,000
and i think

1449
00:51:19,829 --> 00:51:17,760
that says a lot you know as much as we

1450
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:19,839
may bicker and argue on ufo twitter

1451
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:21,599
minus a couple rabble rousers out there

1452
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:22,880
that really don't have any interest in

1453
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:23,920
the truth

1454
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:26,079
most people you know i think do want the

1455
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:28,319
truth um they're very passionate they

1456
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:30,960
really want you know to have answers

1457
00:51:34,950 --> 00:51:32,960
they're frustrated rightfully so it's

1458
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:34,960
been 70 years right and and they want

1459
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:36,960
answers and and frankly they deserve

1460
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:38,240
those answers

1461
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:39,280
uh

1462
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:41,599
but we are also have shown that we can

1463
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:43,760
do incredible acts of kindness

1464
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:46,240
uh when we want to and and we all agree

1465
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:48,240
to and that's in large part because of

1466
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:50,000
the work that sean and dan and you

1467
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:51,680
vinnie and and and your incredible

1468
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:54,400
audience have played a role in this um

1469
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:57,119
you know you we just helped out

1470
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:58,880
in a very small way

1471
00:52:02,309 --> 00:52:00,079
humanity

1472
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:02,319
and we did that because you guys created

1473
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:04,640
this enclave called ufo twitter where we

1474
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:06,559
could talk about sometimes very

1475
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:09,440
passionately about this topic and it was

1476
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:12,240
a result well it resulted in in in

1477
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:14,160
20 some thousand dollars being being

1478
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:15,680
provided to

1479
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:18,240
to children and animals so you know i'm

1480
00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:20,480
i'm super proud of that i i really am

1481
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:22,240
and i see here you have something here

1482
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:24,720
with money going to the ukraine crisis

1483
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:27,359
fund you know yes it's fantastic this is

1484
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:29,280
these are causes we can all get around

1485
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:31,119
we can all rally around put our

1486
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:32,800
differences aside for just a minute and

1487
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:33,520
say

1488
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:35,520
you know that's that's what the ufo

1489
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:38,240
community can do you know yeah i'm just

1490
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:39,680
going to take this second dan i'm going

1491
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:41,280
to come to you because i miss your voice

1492
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:43,359
already you know i'm so used to being

1493
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:45,440
with you spending two weeks with you but

1494
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:47,200
the community right now i probably

1495
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:49,680
mentioned the fund about 45 minutes ago

1496
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:52,480
and we're about we're about 500 in now

1497
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:54,480
so you guys are absolutely incredible

1498
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:56,480
yes youtube will take a little cut i

1499
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:58,800
didn't think of that i'm sorry um i just

1500
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:01,280
wanted to just well in that case we need

1501
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:03,119
to donate more right so if youtube is

1502
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:04,800
going to take a little chat

1503
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:06,480
or maybe we can call out youtube and say

1504
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:08,559
hey guys in one case can you not take a

1505
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:10,480
cut and let i like you know

1506
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:11,920
let's let's give it to the people who

1507
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:14,720
need it um you know i this is this is

1508
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:17,359
hugely important you know it really is i

1509
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:20,000
did a talk not too long ago i won't say

1510
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:21,520
for which outlet but but involve

1511
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:22,559
veterans

1512
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:24,720
and uh the outlet was gonna gonna pay me

1513
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:25,680
and i

1514
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:28,480
i to no you know i don't i don't i don't

1515
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:30,559
take money for that that kind of stuff

1516
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:32,319
um you know charity is something that we

1517
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:33,599
should all be part of

1518
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:34,800
and you know that's maybe one of the

1519
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:36,400
good things about about organized

1520
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:38,000
religion that you know there is tithing

1521
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:39,520
i think it keeps us humble i think it

1522
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:41,920
keeps us grounded when we realize we you

1523
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:43,680
know we do owe something to our fellow

1524
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:45,200
man to our brothers and sisters out

1525
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:47,440
there and if we have a means to give

1526
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:48,640
then

1527
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:50,400
we should

1528
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:52,880
no absolutely no dan just following on

1529
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:54,160
from the conversation about people

1530
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:55,440
wanting to get more involved in

1531
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:57,040
investigating and things like that we

1532
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:58,960
were very lucky enough to be able to go

1533
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:01,040
out to colombia to investigate

1534
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:03,280
a case out there or maybe a couple of

1535
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:04,559
cases out there

1536
00:54:09,109 --> 00:54:06,480
but we also have talked about a case

1537
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:09,119
close to us the londondale lights about

1538
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:12,400
going and looking into that case so

1539
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:13,839
just talk about how people could even

1540
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:15,440
look to what's around them locally and

1541
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:17,119
i'll go out and

1542
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:19,119
look into it ask questions knock on

1543
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:22,319
doors maybe not just knock on doors and

1544
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:23,280
but you know what i mean you know i'm

1545
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:24,720
getting out how would you see that and

1546
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:26,559
how would you sort of direct people into

1547
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:28,240
wanting to get a bit more boots on the

1548
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:29,839
ground maybe

1549
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:32,880
i'd i mean everyone has their kind of

1550
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:35,040
favorite area of expertise and for me

1551
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:37,280
one of those areas was the hairstyle and

1552
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:38,640
lights you know i grew up when i was a

1553
00:54:42,069 --> 00:54:40,559
teenager i'd watch those 24 7 video

1554
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:42,079
streams and i never saw anything when i

1555
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:44,240
was watching but it fascinates me and

1556
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:45,680
it's still very relevant part of the

1557
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:46,880
conversation

1558
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:49,520
and those guys produced a long form

1559
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:51,920
study paper and in the back of that

1560
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:52,960
paper

1561
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:54,079
they list

1562
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:57,680
uh various areas around the world that

1563
00:55:01,349 --> 00:55:00,000
have similar phenomena going on in them

1564
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:01,359
whether it's the brown mountain lights

1565
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:03,200
the minion lights in australia there

1566
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:04,480
seems to be

1567
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:06,240
a common phenomena around the planet

1568
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:08,799
that has many different names that you

1569
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:10,559
can contribute to this subject by

1570
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:12,559
studying um

1571
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:14,720
i i feel like we went and did that with

1572
00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:17,520
one of them uh in colombia and the

1573
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:19,040
results of that will be forthcoming you

1574
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:20,640
know the gentleman here lou and sean

1575
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:22,559
were very gracious to give us their time

1576
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:24,480
to to help direct us a little bit while

1577
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:25,680
we were out there

1578
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:26,559
um

1579
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:27,440
but

1580
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:30,640
these places exist everywhere and i i

1581
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:33,359
feel like when when biden signed the uap

1582
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:34,960
investigation bill it was kind of a

1583
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:36,960
green light that this is legitimately

1584
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:39,680
how we could go spend our time now so

1585
00:55:42,789 --> 00:55:41,200
you know vinnie and i just did that for

1586
00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:42,799
two weeks and we want to kind of get

1587
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:44,799
back out there and dig in but i'd

1588
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:46,240
recommend people

1589
00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:47,280
you know just do a little bit of

1590
00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:49,839
googling have a read of those papers

1591
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:52,240
talk to people in in those areas where

1592
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:54,400
the lights are seen and yeah just get

1593
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:55,920
boots on the ground and get photograph

1594
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:57,920
and throw the common modern technology

1595
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:00,160
at it and let's see what we can get

1596
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:06,390
i was just gonna say remember it's a

1597
00:56:10,789 --> 00:56:08,319
journey i talk to so many people that

1598
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:10,799
want one chance at that three-pointer or

1599
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:12,960
that slam dunk they just want to they

1600
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:15,760
want to hit the bell really hard and

1601
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:16,480
they

1602
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:19,280
i i don't want to to stamp on that kind

1603
00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:22,400
of energy but it is it is a stairway and

1604
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:25,119
it is tall and it is a process and

1605
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:27,119
there's falling so

1606
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:29,359
you know keep your heart and and stay to

1607
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:30,559
it

1608
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:32,400
and dan i'll tell you man you you and

1609
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:34,319
vinnie really succeeded i'm not going to

1610
00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:36,240
let the cat out of the bag but you know

1611
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:37,920
you guys had one hell of a coalition

1612
00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:39,440
when you were in colombia you know this

1613
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:41,119
was you know you guys

1614
00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:43,040
talk about boots on the ground you had a

1615
00:56:47,829 --> 00:56:45,520
pretty good assortment of individuals

1616
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:47,839
again i'm not going to say who but i

1617
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:49,119
know that sean and i were pretty

1618
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:50,720
impressed when we saw who you had down

1619
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:52,079
there right and you were doing your own

1620
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:54,799
investigation and that's i mean that's

1621
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:56,640
talk about boots on the ground you guys

1622
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:58,319
really did and that's something that

1623
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:59,680
anybody can do you know you don't have

1624
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:01,359
to be necessarily a trained expert in

1625
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:02,640
investigations you don't have to be a

1626
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:04,880
special agent or counterintelligence you

1627
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:06,319
know you can just ask the obvious

1628
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:07,760
questions the five interrogators right

1629
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:10,640
who what when where how and why and and

1630
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:12,880
and start with that you know uh what

1631
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:14,160
just you know what are the questions you

1632
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:15,599
would want to know right what are the

1633
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:16,799
answers you'd want to know and then ask

1634
00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:19,520
those questions so um you know i i

1635
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:20,799
applaud what you guys did that

1636
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:22,319
initiative you know not everybody can

1637
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:23,680
afford to get on a plane and fly to

1638
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:25,440
another country but you know maybe you

1639
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:26,480
can get in your car and drive to the

1640
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:29,040
next city right exactly maybe maybe

1641
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:30,880
there's some areas nearby that have some

1642
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:32,640
pretty interesting things happening and

1643
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:34,079
and you know go out there with a camera

1644
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:36,640
maybe just take a pen and a notepad and

1645
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:38,079
and just start taking because you never

1646
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:39,599
know when that information is going to

1647
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:41,440
be really really useful

1648
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:43,599
you know down the road so

1649
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:44,880
that that's what i would encourage

1650
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:46,559
people to do

1651
00:57:50,549 --> 00:57:48,319
thank you lou that's uh that's

1652
00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:50,559
that means a lot means a lot dan so

1653
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:52,079
we'll kind of stick on that so let's

1654
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:54,319
talk about the investigation that i'm

1655
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:55,839
going to say about what you did i don't

1656
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:57,200
want to bring it on to me because you're

1657
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:58,799
my guest so

1658
00:58:01,670 --> 00:58:00,319
how did you find the investigative

1659
00:58:03,190 --> 00:58:01,680
process not having that kind of

1660
00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:03,200
background or training did it come

1661
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:05,280
naturally and did you feel like it

1662
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:07,040
you saw the steps do you know what i

1663
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:09,599
mean yeah it's kind of like lou said you

1664
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:11,359
know it's asking the questions that we

1665
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:13,200
as audience members would want to know

1666
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:15,599
the answers to whether it's you know

1667
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:17,359
what did you see how long did it happen

1668
00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:18,960
did it have to happen over multiple

1669
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:20,559
nights did anyone else see it or all

1670
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:22,799
these kind of obvious things including

1671
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:24,720
did you take a photo stick a video you

1672
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:27,119
know and trying to gather those bits of

1673
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:29,040
information enough to

1674
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:30,640
to help us not just

1675
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:32,799
come up with an idea of what it could be

1676
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:36,160
but actually solve the thing and and say

1677
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:37,680
whether it's you know something

1678
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:40,319
anomalous or whether it's just for

1679
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:42,640
example a blown transformer or

1680
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:44,400
you know just electrical failure or

1681
00:58:48,549 --> 00:58:45,920
something like that

1682
00:58:50,789 --> 00:58:48,559
it was really great to kind of

1683
00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:50,799
learn that

1684
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:52,720
learn the filter of how to to use

1685
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:54,960
information from all the team that we

1686
00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:56,720
had there um i'm trying not to say the

1687
00:59:01,190 --> 00:58:59,599
names israel had um i i can see ashley

1688
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:01,200
looking in the chat there saying you

1689
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:04,559
guys have an idea which is true uh yeah

1690
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:06,559
he is the the phenomenology account

1691
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:07,440
there

1692
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:08,400
um

1693
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:11,359
i'm sure you'll see a trailer from from

1694
00:59:14,309 --> 00:59:13,200
ashley and it's really not too far away

1695
00:59:17,589 --> 00:59:14,319
in terms of watching it we're not

1696
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:17,599
talking uh years we're talking you know

1697
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:18,400
weeks

1698
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:21,280
a month or so um and you'll get to see

1699
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:23,680
exactly the journey we went on but yeah

1700
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:25,280
learning

1701
00:59:31,990 --> 00:59:30,160
sightings was one of the biggest points

1702
00:59:34,150 --> 00:59:32,000
of interest for me because there are so

1703
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:34,160
many different interpretations of these

1704
00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:35,119
events

1705
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:38,720
and to be able to you know hear three

1706
00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:40,400
completely different versions of the

1707
00:59:45,349 --> 00:59:43,359
same event was was very eye-opening uh

1708
00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:45,359
in in terms of how you get to the truth

1709
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:48,640
that's kind of in between them all

1710
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:50,880
yeah absolutely and

1711
00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:51,920
and

1712
00:59:56,069 --> 00:59:54,400
interpretation is a human thing isn't it

1713
00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:56,079
i mean really that's what it boils down

1714
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:58,240
to right at the end of the day it's

1715
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:59,520
you're looking you're all looking at the

1716
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:01,280
same thing but it's like the three blind

1717
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:03,520
men trying to describe the elephant and

1718
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:04,880
one's holding on to the trunk once

1719
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:06,880
holding on to the foot and one's holding

1720
01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:08,480
on to the ear and they're all describing

1721
01:00:12,549 --> 01:00:10,000
something completely different and yet

1722
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:12,559
it's all part of the same animal

1723
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:14,400
yeah absolutely sorry i was just going

1724
01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:16,079
to say this here phenomenal

1725
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:17,760
phenomenology you see here on the screen

1726
01:00:21,829 --> 01:00:19,760
is the new youtube account where the

1727
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:21,839
documentary series will be put out for

1728
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:24,319
free no pay will or anything i think the

1729
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:26,240
first episode is coming about may the

1730
01:00:31,109 --> 01:00:27,200
first

1731
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:31,119
um so yeah guys you know i hope you

1732
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:32,720
want to watch it and stuff this is not

1733
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:34,960
just about the phenomenon it's also

1734
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:37,440
about the journey of everyone involved

1735
01:00:41,190 --> 01:00:39,040
from day one to

1736
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:41,200
day 14 or whatever it was it's it's a

1737
01:00:45,430 --> 01:00:43,440
it's a human element to it as just as

1738
01:00:47,670 --> 01:00:45,440
much as there is to the phenomenon we

1739
01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:47,680
really wanted to portray like multi

1740
01:00:52,630 --> 01:00:51,040
faceted angles to this experience

1741
01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:52,640
of being

1742
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:54,720
an investigative group a team bonding

1743
01:00:59,190 --> 01:00:57,040
meeting new people meeting locals

1744
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:59,200
talking about a subject that we all love

1745
01:01:02,230 --> 01:01:00,480
but also that

1746
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:02,240
indigenous folk have been talking about

1747
01:01:05,109 --> 01:01:03,839
for hundreds of years and bringing that

1748
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:05,119
all together

1749
01:01:09,270 --> 01:01:07,440
wow that was something different so

1750
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:09,280
please go and subscribe to the channel

1751
01:01:12,789 --> 01:01:11,440
and all that good stuff and look out for

1752
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:12,799
it because i think people will be

1753
01:01:15,910 --> 01:01:14,400
pleasantly surprised

1754
01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:15,920
um

1755
01:01:23,349 --> 01:01:22,230
dan again this i'm going to start this

1756
01:01:25,670 --> 01:01:23,359
conversation with you but i hope

1757
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:25,680
everyone else will jump in um let's go a

1758
01:01:28,789 --> 01:01:27,359
bit more science based and i know lou

1759
01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:28,799
you might be in the right mindset you've

1760
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:30,400
been on that science journey tonight a

1761
01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:33,119
little bit um i'd like to talk about dna

1762
01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:35,680
and dna containers dan can you kind of

1763
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:38,000
talk about that with us

1764
01:01:46,069 --> 01:01:43,510
those keywords

1765
01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:46,079
um yeah dna is something that we're only

1766
01:01:49,589 --> 01:01:47,680
kind of just starting to understand and

1767
01:01:52,549 --> 01:01:49,599
when when people talk to me about dna

1768
01:01:54,870 --> 01:01:52,559
containers with messages i i think back

1769
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:54,880
to how

1770
01:01:58,950 --> 01:01:56,880
you know we we have comets that kind of

1771
01:02:00,630 --> 01:01:58,960
or meteors i should say that that get

1772
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:00,640
dispersed throughout the solar system

1773
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:03,520
that can carry those genetic codes to

1774
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:04,960
other places

1775
01:02:08,549 --> 01:02:06,720
so i wonder you know when we have

1776
01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:08,559
conversations around hybrids people

1777
01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:10,319
think of those you know almost mad

1778
01:02:14,230 --> 01:02:12,720
scientist aliens engineering us and it's

1779
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:14,240
not necessarily

1780
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:16,400
that we can have a conversation about

1781
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:18,640
hybrids where just genetic material is

1782
01:02:21,510 --> 01:02:20,160
shared between different solar systems

1783
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:21,520
and different planets

1784
01:02:25,029 --> 01:02:22,480
um

1785
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:25,039
and and yeah that's probably where

1786
01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:27,280
i would go with with that uh angle but

1787
01:02:32,069 --> 01:02:28,880
i'm curious what the guys are gonna say

1788
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:32,079
uh i'll pass it to sean

1789
01:02:35,589 --> 01:02:33,760
hmm

1790
01:02:38,710 --> 01:02:35,599
you know

1791
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:38,720
we have such a diversity of life here

1792
01:02:45,190 --> 01:02:41,920
um life is everywhere we look here

1793
01:02:48,549 --> 01:02:45,200
but if taken on a on a binary

1794
01:02:50,150 --> 01:02:48,559
life or no life scale we're still single

1795
01:02:52,630 --> 01:02:50,160
point

1796
01:02:55,589 --> 01:02:52,640
of evidence for life existing

1797
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:55,599
um i think the environment here probably

1798
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:56,640
if

1799
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:58,640
the physics we observe

1800
01:03:02,870 --> 01:03:00,640
to the edges of our observable universe

1801
01:03:04,710 --> 01:03:02,880
appear to be the same physics that we

1802
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:04,720
have come to understand at this point i

1803
01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:06,000
think it's

1804
01:03:10,150 --> 01:03:08,400
it's relatively logical for us to expand

1805
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:10,160
out that what has happened here has

1806
01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:12,400
happened elsewhere

1807
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:14,400
my a question that really interests me

1808
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:15,760
is i think that everywhere we look we

1809
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:17,599
can find patterns we find patterns

1810
01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:19,920
repeating and we find patterns repeating

1811
01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:22,799
in non-local areas it makes me wonder if

1812
01:03:26,549 --> 01:03:24,640
something like dna is ubiquitous

1813
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:26,559
throughout the universe that if there is

1814
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:29,119
a structure of life and the way to carry

1815
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:32,160
on species memory and to to climb your

1816
01:03:35,349 --> 01:03:34,240
way up into awareness

1817
01:03:40,230 --> 01:03:35,359
um

1818
01:03:42,230 --> 01:03:40,240
what we call the phenomenon is a

1819
01:03:43,589 --> 01:03:42,240
comparable and understandable form of

1820
01:03:45,430 --> 01:03:43,599
life

1821
01:03:48,069 --> 01:03:45,440
and we've made assumptions based on what

1822
01:03:49,829 --> 01:03:48,079
we've observed

1823
01:03:51,589 --> 01:03:49,839
but we don't have

1824
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:51,599
the evidence

1825
01:03:56,390 --> 01:03:53,920
to go back to and to build upon we're

1826
01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:56,400
still we're building upon anecdotes and

1827
01:04:01,270 --> 01:03:59,520
scant data um at least in the public to

1828
01:04:02,549 --> 01:04:01,280
it to a great extent or at least in the

1829
01:04:03,910 --> 01:04:02,559
community of people that feel that

1830
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:03,920
they're witnessing this they don't have

1831
01:04:07,750 --> 01:04:05,520
the answers they need

1832
01:04:11,029 --> 01:04:07,760
but i think that if we just

1833
01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:11,039
remove the person or remove the personal

1834
01:04:14,950 --> 01:04:13,359
ego from it for a minute

1835
01:04:17,349 --> 01:04:14,960
we've made some really ridiculous

1836
01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:17,359
assumptions in my opinion about how

1837
01:04:20,789 --> 01:04:19,520
special and unique and everything else

1838
01:04:22,150 --> 01:04:20,799
we are

1839
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:22,160
and

1840
01:04:27,589 --> 01:04:23,760
it

1841
01:04:30,150 --> 01:04:27,599
everywhere i look i see patterns

1842
01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:30,160
and so it says to me that if i find an

1843
01:04:33,349 --> 01:04:31,599
environment similar to this one

1844
01:04:35,910 --> 01:04:33,359
elsewhere i will probably find something

1845
01:04:37,829 --> 01:04:35,920
similar to me the universe is much older

1846
01:04:40,069 --> 01:04:37,839
than my culture

1847
01:04:42,390 --> 01:04:40,079
my mind is open to a number of

1848
01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:42,400
possibilities

1849
01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:43,280
yeah

1850
01:04:50,069 --> 01:04:47,280
my background

1851
01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:50,079
in college was was actually microbiology

1852
01:04:53,589 --> 01:04:52,160
immunology and um

1853
01:04:56,789 --> 01:04:53,599
you know let me talk a little bit about

1854
01:04:59,349 --> 01:04:56,799
about what dna is deoxyribonucleic acid

1855
01:05:02,390 --> 01:04:59,359
um which is really the

1856
01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:02,400
the code the sequence for for for life

1857
01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:04,079
here on this planet

1858
01:05:09,430 --> 01:05:06,400
um you know the notion that that amino

1859
01:05:10,549 --> 01:05:09,440
acids can be carried through space and

1860
01:05:12,069 --> 01:05:10,559
and

1861
01:05:13,109 --> 01:05:12,079
delivered here on this planet is nothing

1862
01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:13,119
new we

1863
01:05:16,870 --> 01:05:14,720
there are the building blocks of life

1864
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:16,880
everywhere methane is a perfect example

1865
01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:18,000
of that when you look at some of the

1866
01:05:21,349 --> 01:05:20,240
moons even on our own in our own solar

1867
01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:21,359
system

1868
01:05:25,510 --> 01:05:23,839
they are full of of

1869
01:05:27,589 --> 01:05:25,520
of uh

1870
01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:27,599
the essence the soup the primordial soup

1871
01:05:31,829 --> 01:05:29,280
necessary for life

1872
01:05:33,750 --> 01:05:31,839
um the notion of transpermia which is

1873
01:05:35,510 --> 01:05:33,760
that life may have come from somewhere

1874
01:05:37,029 --> 01:05:35,520
else to here and and that's part of the

1875
01:05:40,390 --> 01:05:37,039
way the universe works

1876
01:05:42,549 --> 01:05:40,400
is certainly um a valid theory i would

1877
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:42,559
suggest to you and i would say as

1878
01:05:46,069 --> 01:05:44,640
far as far as hybrids are concerned look

1879
01:05:48,549 --> 01:05:46,079
my background in microbiology and

1880
01:05:50,069 --> 01:05:48,559
immunology we are a species of hybrids

1881
01:05:52,950 --> 01:05:50,079
we have we've always have been when you

1882
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:52,960
look at when when homo sapiens were

1883
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:55,760
mixing with with harmony and erthalus

1884
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:58,240
um we have been in fact it is

1885
01:06:02,549 --> 01:06:00,240
genetically harmful for us

1886
01:06:04,150 --> 01:06:02,559
uh it's bad for our our genetic pool if

1887
01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:04,160
we don't have that type of diversity you

1888
01:06:09,750 --> 01:06:06,559
know when you what what makes a a

1889
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:09,760
healthy society is the fact that that we

1890
01:06:13,510 --> 01:06:11,520
have all sorts of different backgrounds

1891
01:06:15,750 --> 01:06:13,520
most people have a genetic very very

1892
01:06:18,549 --> 01:06:15,760
diverse genetic background

1893
01:06:20,710 --> 01:06:18,559
and that's good for the species and it's

1894
01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:20,720
good for here on this planet and it's

1895
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:22,640
not a far leap to say well if it's good

1896
01:06:26,710 --> 01:06:24,960
for this planet that might be actually a

1897
01:06:29,589 --> 01:06:26,720
universal trait

1898
01:06:32,710 --> 01:06:29,599
maybe that is maybe that is the way

1899
01:06:34,710 --> 01:06:32,720
life exists and and and

1900
01:06:36,789 --> 01:06:34,720
thrives throughout the universe not just

1901
01:06:38,470 --> 01:06:36,799
on our planet and that

1902
01:06:39,750 --> 01:06:38,480
this hybridization you know i know

1903
01:06:41,750 --> 01:06:39,760
people want to kind of go down the

1904
01:06:43,029 --> 01:06:41,760
rabbit hole if we're talking about alien

1905
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:43,039
hybrids but

1906
01:06:47,510 --> 01:06:44,400
but let's talk about that for a minute

1907
01:06:50,470 --> 01:06:47,520
from a very real sense you know you have

1908
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:50,480
a virus and i've said this before

1909
01:06:53,109 --> 01:06:51,760
a virus

1910
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:53,119
isn't really any type of life form

1911
01:06:56,230 --> 01:06:54,559
doesn't even have dna and yet it

1912
01:06:58,470 --> 01:06:56,240
replicates and it protects itself and it

1913
01:07:01,270 --> 01:06:58,480
does a lot of things that life forms do

1914
01:07:04,549 --> 01:07:01,280
but it uses rna and it can inject its

1915
01:07:08,069 --> 01:07:04,559
own rna to change the sequencing of dna

1916
01:07:09,510 --> 01:07:08,079
in a host to make more viruses right so

1917
01:07:10,630 --> 01:07:09,520
to some degree

1918
01:07:13,349 --> 01:07:10,640
you know there's

1919
01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:13,359
viruses act a lot like like a life form

1920
01:07:17,109 --> 01:07:15,200
and some scientists have speculated that

1921
01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:17,119
maybe they are an alien

1922
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:20,000
for life form and we've just been living

1923
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:22,559
uh some cases symbiotically in some

1924
01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:25,200
cases more parasitically with with with

1925
01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:28,000
alien life forms all along um there's

1926
01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:30,640
you can't disprove that there there is

1927
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:32,559
there is some interesting evidence to

1928
01:07:37,430 --> 01:07:34,480
suggest that maybe viruses aren't

1929
01:07:39,990 --> 01:07:37,440
natural to to here to this this biome we

1930
01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:40,000
call earth um again i'm not i don't want

1931
01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:41,680
to go too far in speculation but there

1932
01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:43,280
are some scientists who have said that

1933
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:44,400
for the record

1934
01:07:47,589 --> 01:07:46,559
so um i'm not

1935
01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:47,599
you know i just think we need to be

1936
01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:48,960
careful when we say hybridization the

1937
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:50,400
first thing that comes to people's minds

1938
01:07:54,630 --> 01:07:51,119
are

1939
01:07:57,510 --> 01:07:54,640
you know aliens coming in and you know

1940
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:57,520
having you know babies with people

1941
01:08:02,470 --> 01:08:00,000
i will go to detail uh on how that might

1942
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:02,480
or might not work um but let's face it

1943
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:04,559
hybridization is something natural that

1944
01:08:08,789 --> 01:08:06,480
we see in mother nature all the time and

1945
01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:08,799
our species is not immune to it we in

1946
01:08:13,589 --> 01:08:11,839
fact we we thrive upon hybridization um

1947
01:08:14,789 --> 01:08:13,599
that's that some could argue that's been

1948
01:08:16,630 --> 01:08:14,799
the success

1949
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:16,640
the secret sauce the secret success of

1950
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:18,880
our species all along so you know before

1951
01:08:22,709 --> 01:08:20,640
people start pooh-poohing that idea you

1952
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:22,719
know you better take a good long hard

1953
01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:24,799
look at nature mother nature first to

1954
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:27,440
see that she's already doing that

1955
01:08:30,789 --> 01:08:29,120
absolutely yeah

1956
01:08:33,669 --> 01:08:30,799
dan anything or anyone else want to

1957
01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:33,679
continue that at all i just i'd love to

1958
01:08:38,950 --> 01:08:35,520
add a little generalist spin to it that

1959
01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:38,960
we talk about here and we talk about

1960
01:08:43,269 --> 01:08:41,440
what we observe and what this world is

1961
01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:43,279
but we forget a simple phrase like

1962
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:45,440
everything that is here

1963
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:47,440
came from space

1964
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:49,440
nothing started in this is not even a

1965
01:08:53,030 --> 01:08:50,400
place

1966
01:08:54,630 --> 01:08:53,040
this is a corkscrew of a solar system

1967
01:08:56,870 --> 01:08:54,640
that's traveling in a circle in this

1968
01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:56,880
area in a local group around a larger

1969
01:09:01,430 --> 01:08:59,440
supercluster and it and it extends

1970
01:09:03,829 --> 01:09:01,440
downwards toward the quantum level and

1971
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:03,839
upwards towards the supergalactic level

1972
01:09:08,229 --> 01:09:06,880
as to how everything truly does interact

1973
01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:08,239
with each other

1974
01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:09,359
but um

1975
01:09:14,470 --> 01:09:12,560
we act as if we are here and everything

1976
01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:14,480
else is out there

1977
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:15,600
and

1978
01:09:20,229 --> 01:09:18,560
no we are inside everything else with

1979
01:09:21,990 --> 01:09:20,239
everything else and we are everything

1980
01:09:24,070 --> 01:09:22,000
else with the origins

1981
01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:24,080
aren't local to this little spot this

1982
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:26,159
little spot didn't exist 10 seconds ago

1983
01:09:32,870 --> 01:09:28,080
we're in a new spot in a new spot in a

1984
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:35,829
it's um it's i think that when we expand

1985
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:37,040
that out you don't have to stay there

1986
01:09:40,390 --> 01:09:38,640
all the time you'll end up just picking

1987
01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:40,400
lint out of your belly button all day

1988
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:42,480
but you have to expand your viewpoint

1989
01:09:46,829 --> 01:09:44,640
out that just to realize that

1990
01:09:50,309 --> 01:09:46,839
that there's more to it so

1991
01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:50,319
um but yeah

1992
01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:52,560
fabulous thank you so much i'm gonna

1993
01:09:55,990 --> 01:09:54,159
stick with science for a little bit and

1994
01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:56,000
i'm gonna come back to you dan

1995
01:10:00,229 --> 01:09:58,320
with my bullet point i've not formulated

1996
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:00,239
questions because let's be honest i'm

1997
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:02,880
not intelligent enough to really do that

1998
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:04,800
but i want to talk about anti-neutrinos

1999
01:10:10,229 --> 01:10:06,960
dan i know this is something that you

2000
01:10:11,430 --> 01:10:10,239
are quite eager to talk about so

2001
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:11,440
give it to us

2002
01:10:16,149 --> 01:10:13,679
yeah uh so recently

2003
01:10:18,709 --> 01:10:16,159
uh tim mcmillan brought up the fact that

2004
01:10:21,030 --> 01:10:18,719
uh there was an anti-neutrino the study

2005
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:21,040
of the planet done uh in 2015 i think it

2006
01:10:23,990 --> 01:10:21,840
was

2007
01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:24,000
that basically mapped all the occurring

2008
01:10:27,669 --> 01:10:25,920
instances of antsy neutrinos over the

2009
01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:27,679
planet and

2010
01:10:31,750 --> 01:10:28,400
the

2011
01:10:34,709 --> 01:10:31,760
signified reactors

2012
01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:34,719
and would no doubt pick up any nuclear

2013
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:36,239
kind of source

2014
01:10:39,910 --> 01:10:38,000
like a nuclear carrier fleet or

2015
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:39,920
something like that but there was also

2016
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:41,600
said to be mixed in that if you could

2017
01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:43,280
look at the granular data there might be

2018
01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:45,520
areas of interest in terms of uap

2019
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:47,040
presence as well

2020
01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:48,000
and

2021
01:10:57,430 --> 01:10:54,800
you guys up to see if you'd heard any

2022
01:11:00,310 --> 01:10:57,440
of any link between anti-neutrinos the

2023
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:00,320
study of and whether they signify uap

2024
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:10,390
yeah i personally um

2025
01:11:14,470 --> 01:11:11,669
let me say that in the course of my

2026
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:14,480
discussions we've considered a lot of

2027
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:18,239
means of um of gathering data uh whether

2028
01:11:23,270 --> 01:11:20,400
it's uh past environmental data

2029
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:23,280
real-time data or ways to to capture

2030
01:11:27,590 --> 01:11:25,520
more data in the future and i often

2031
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:27,600
generalize that what we're doing is

2032
01:11:31,189 --> 01:11:29,520
trying to increase our sampling of the

2033
01:11:32,709 --> 01:11:31,199
electromagnetic spectrum because

2034
01:11:34,630 --> 01:11:32,719
everything including us

2035
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:34,640
is existing somewhere

2036
01:11:38,470 --> 01:11:36,880
within that area

2037
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:38,480
um

2038
01:11:41,910 --> 01:11:40,400
i've had i've had conversations that

2039
01:11:43,030 --> 01:11:41,920
surround the tech but i'm not a

2040
01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:43,040
physicist

2041
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:43,920
so

2042
01:11:50,070 --> 01:11:44,880
um

2043
01:11:53,990 --> 01:11:50,080
heard i've heard scientists discuss

2044
01:11:55,510 --> 01:11:54,000
possibilities uh of utilizing systems

2045
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:55,520
i don't know how far that may have been

2046
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:58,560
socialized outside of my group um i'm

2047
01:12:02,470 --> 01:12:00,480
sure that that there are plenty of

2048
01:12:04,390 --> 01:12:02,480
people in those realms that that may or

2049
01:12:07,110 --> 01:12:04,400
may not be interested in this as the as

2050
01:12:09,750 --> 01:12:07,120
the subject advances into science the

2051
01:12:12,229 --> 01:12:09,760
scientific realm

2052
01:12:15,030 --> 01:12:12,239
um i'll i'll jump on that too just for a

2053
01:12:16,870 --> 01:12:15,040
quick second here you know i i'm not

2054
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:16,880
familiar with anti-neutrinos i am

2055
01:12:21,189 --> 01:12:19,440
familiar a little bit uh with with the

2056
01:12:23,189 --> 01:12:21,199
notion of neutrinos

2057
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:23,199
and the problem with neutrinos is that

2058
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:25,040
well first of all they're they're they

2059
01:12:30,390 --> 01:12:25,840
are

2060
01:12:33,669 --> 01:12:30,400
also super elusive

2061
01:12:35,110 --> 01:12:33,679
um for being so prominent and and you

2062
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:35,120
know one of the sources of that is

2063
01:12:39,990 --> 01:12:37,199
nuclear fusion and and the core of our

2064
01:12:41,430 --> 01:12:40,000
sun so we're constantly being bathed in

2065
01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:41,440
in neutrinos

2066
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:44,159
um the problem is detecting them and

2067
01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:46,080
right now it's it's a matter of

2068
01:12:49,430 --> 01:12:48,400
technology that we just simply don't

2069
01:12:52,070 --> 01:12:49,440
have

2070
01:12:54,149 --> 01:12:52,080
the the technology required

2071
01:12:56,709 --> 01:12:54,159
to to study them as much as we would

2072
01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:56,719
like to right now we have to have a

2073
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:58,320
neutrino tank

2074
01:13:03,430 --> 01:13:00,239
buried you know thousands and thousands

2075
01:13:05,669 --> 01:13:03,440
of feet under the earth's surface

2076
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:05,679
in order to just detect it and basically

2077
01:13:10,630 --> 01:13:07,440
in essence in theory a neutrino hits

2078
01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:10,640
this tank uh it it interacts with with

2079
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:13,520
the liquid uh water in this case and as

2080
01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:14,560
a result

2081
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:17,280
it uh it releases a photon of light that

2082
01:13:23,110 --> 01:13:19,840
can be measured and

2083
01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:23,120
in in practice it sounds um well in

2084
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:26,000
theory it sounds sounds easy in practice

2085
01:13:29,270 --> 01:13:27,600
not so much it's

2086
01:13:31,030 --> 01:13:29,280
it's a lot more challenging and so we

2087
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:31,040
may have to wait i guess long story

2088
01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:33,360
short here dan and vinnie is for the

2089
01:13:39,669 --> 01:13:36,080
technology to catch up before we could

2090
01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:39,679
use that type of of capability in any

2091
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:41,840
way as it relates to uap

2092
01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:43,520
i'm not saying it doesn't work what i'm

2093
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:44,880
simply saying is we may have to wait a

2094
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:46,400
few years until we have

2095
01:13:52,470 --> 01:13:49,920
the technology to to apply that uh in in

2096
01:13:54,229 --> 01:13:52,480
the study of uap

2097
01:13:56,550 --> 01:13:54,239
are there any other scientific avenues

2098
01:13:59,189 --> 01:13:56,560
that may be looking at historical data

2099
01:14:01,350 --> 01:13:59,199
or research or trying to figure out a

2100
01:14:02,950 --> 01:14:01,360
new way of detecting these things and

2101
01:14:05,030 --> 01:14:02,960
and if so

2102
01:14:07,590 --> 01:14:05,040
have you had the conversations anybody

2103
01:14:09,110 --> 01:14:07,600
here and you know does that look like

2104
01:14:11,189 --> 01:14:09,120
something that we could utilize in the

2105
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:11,199
future and as you answer that i'm just

2106
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:13,199
going to check on my daughter please uh

2107
01:14:17,350 --> 01:14:15,760
my apologies

2108
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:17,360
um

2109
01:14:21,270 --> 01:14:18,880
what i can say is that we're always

2110
01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:21,280
looking for signatures um i i'm not

2111
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:23,360
gonna go specifically as to what the

2112
01:14:28,550 --> 01:14:25,199
signatures might or might not look like

2113
01:14:31,189 --> 01:14:28,560
but you know everything in

2114
01:14:33,669 --> 01:14:31,199
nature everything in our reality um

2115
01:14:36,070 --> 01:14:33,679
perturbs the environment in some way

2116
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:36,080
some small way sometimes in a big way

2117
01:14:40,149 --> 01:14:37,760
and whether that's through through

2118
01:14:42,870 --> 01:14:40,159
acoustic energy or electromagnetic

2119
01:14:43,750 --> 01:14:42,880
energy or heat or whatever

2120
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:43,760
um

2121
01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:45,120
you know you you

2122
01:14:49,669 --> 01:14:47,440
anytime you introduce mass or matter

2123
01:14:52,790 --> 01:14:49,679
into into a space

2124
01:14:54,390 --> 01:14:52,800
you perturb space time um even gravity

2125
01:14:56,550 --> 01:14:54,400
to some degree you know there's

2126
01:14:58,070 --> 01:14:56,560
fluctuations micro fluctuations in in

2127
01:15:01,270 --> 01:14:58,080
gravity fields

2128
01:15:03,669 --> 01:15:01,280
so uh we are indeed looking at

2129
01:15:05,510 --> 01:15:03,679
signatures um

2130
01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:05,520
the question is which signatures are are

2131
01:15:10,709 --> 01:15:07,440
the best telltale sign

2132
01:15:13,110 --> 01:15:10,719
of uap activity and i i'm not convinced

2133
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:13,120
we're quite there yet but i think we're

2134
01:15:19,030 --> 01:15:14,640
we're getting close and we're certainly

2135
01:15:24,070 --> 01:15:20,870
sean any any comment on the science

2136
01:15:25,270 --> 01:15:24,080
aspect of that i mean

2137
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:25,280
anything

2138
01:15:30,070 --> 01:15:28,320
well it's uh as as lou was saying and as

2139
01:15:32,550 --> 01:15:30,080
we're kind of alluding to before we have

2140
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:32,560
to take a full spectrum approach because

2141
01:15:37,669 --> 01:15:35,280
we just we don't have a

2142
01:15:40,390 --> 01:15:37,679
a nomenclature list to look at and say

2143
01:15:41,350 --> 01:15:40,400
okay well they well uap produces this

2144
01:15:44,229 --> 01:15:41,360
kind of

2145
01:15:46,070 --> 01:15:44,239
um telltale signature we don't have a

2146
01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:46,080
a dedicated

2147
01:15:49,590 --> 01:15:47,520
list of things to look for so when we

2148
01:15:51,510 --> 01:15:49,600
ask about specific things

2149
01:15:53,030 --> 01:15:51,520
i would say we want to throw the kitchen

2150
01:15:55,350 --> 01:15:53,040
sink at it but we want to do it in a

2151
01:15:57,270 --> 01:15:55,360
pragmatic sense we the data has to be

2152
01:15:59,270 --> 01:15:57,280
looked at and it has to matter

2153
01:16:01,030 --> 01:15:59,280
so um

2154
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:01,040
that that's all is i i think that we're

2155
01:16:05,110 --> 01:16:03,840
still determining what we're looking at

2156
01:16:08,390 --> 01:16:05,120
and so that's going to determine the

2157
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:08,400
tools that we utilize to look at it

2158
01:16:13,270 --> 01:16:11,120
yeah i agree absolutely yeah

2159
01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:13,280
it makes perfect sense really doesn't it

2160
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:16,000
um i'm just gonna i've got a few like

2161
01:16:20,950 --> 01:16:18,480
questions that i've been bombarded with

2162
01:16:22,310 --> 01:16:20,960
let's say and sean given the the fact

2163
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:22,320
that we've not really heard too much

2164
01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:24,960
from you i've had so many people asking

2165
01:16:29,189 --> 01:16:27,040
what's going on with skyfort where have

2166
01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:29,199
they been where they at what's happening

2167
01:16:33,030 --> 01:16:30,239
so i

2168
01:16:35,590 --> 01:16:33,040
i kind of had to ask really

2169
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:35,600
it's pretty simple um skyford exists

2170
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:38,000
first of all to get the job done

2171
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:39,920
and the charter that we gave ourselves

2172
01:16:43,110 --> 01:16:41,520
was to connect

2173
01:16:45,990 --> 01:16:43,120
like-minded people

2174
01:16:47,510 --> 01:16:46,000
professionals in academia in government

2175
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:47,520
in the military and in the private

2176
01:16:51,030 --> 01:16:48,480
sector

2177
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:51,040
to talk about this subject to socialize

2178
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:53,280
the the important and pragmatic data

2179
01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:54,159
points

2180
01:16:58,229 --> 01:16:56,080
and to to just

2181
01:17:00,149 --> 01:16:58,239
create a comfort zone for rational

2182
01:17:02,390 --> 01:17:00,159
rational discussion

2183
01:17:05,189 --> 01:17:02,400
we're not so concerned about enriching

2184
01:17:06,790 --> 01:17:05,199
ourselves advertising becoming big names

2185
01:17:07,910 --> 01:17:06,800
or anything like that and that confuses

2186
01:17:09,510 --> 01:17:07,920
some people

2187
01:17:11,350 --> 01:17:09,520
we just don't have time for that kind of

2188
01:17:13,189 --> 01:17:11,360
thing i i think as you guys know that

2189
01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:13,199
when you get involved in and i've

2190
01:17:17,590 --> 01:17:16,320
demonized monetization before i'm not

2191
01:17:18,630 --> 01:17:17,600
going to do that right now but you know

2192
01:17:20,470 --> 01:17:18,640
that

2193
01:17:21,510 --> 01:17:20,480
if if what you're doing has to keep your

2194
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:21,520
lights on

2195
01:17:27,110 --> 01:17:24,960
it becomes a different kind of job

2196
01:17:30,229 --> 01:17:27,120
and you approach it differently i'm a

2197
01:17:32,149 --> 01:17:30,239
pensioner i chose to do this for now on

2198
01:17:34,470 --> 01:17:32,159
my pension because it helped me keep my

2199
01:17:37,030 --> 01:17:34,480
ethical set together it helped me keep

2200
01:17:38,950 --> 01:17:37,040
my morals centered to this and i didn't

2201
01:17:40,550 --> 01:17:38,960
need anything out of this other than to

2202
01:17:42,830 --> 01:17:40,560
try to make things easier for other

2203
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:42,840
people where it had been hard for me

2204
01:17:47,510 --> 01:17:45,280
um so it's

2205
01:17:49,590 --> 01:17:47,520
so so when i so that sounds like i'm i'm

2206
01:17:52,229 --> 01:17:49,600
dancing around the answer but i'm not we

2207
01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:52,239
talk to people and a lot of times you

2208
01:17:56,790 --> 01:17:54,800
know i won't take credit for for any

2209
01:17:57,990 --> 01:17:56,800
edifice or things that have passed or

2210
01:18:00,310 --> 01:17:58,000
anything like that but did we have a

2211
01:18:02,070 --> 01:18:00,320
hand in it we certainly did because we

2212
01:18:03,990 --> 01:18:02,080
spent countless hours talking to people

2213
01:18:05,350 --> 01:18:04,000
and saying listen i know that you don't

2214
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:05,360
think this is real i know that you've

2215
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:07,360
been filled with a lot of nonsense

2216
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:09,360
here's where i was here's what happened

2217
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:11,280
here's the data here's some videos and

2218
01:18:13,510 --> 01:18:12,719
here's some more people you should talk

2219
01:18:15,669 --> 01:18:13,520
to

2220
01:18:17,350 --> 01:18:15,679
and in a lot of ways for for people that

2221
01:18:18,709 --> 01:18:17,360
work in government or military or

2222
01:18:20,470 --> 01:18:18,719
science

2223
01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:20,480
having the bona fides of having been in

2224
01:18:24,149 --> 01:18:22,480
for 20 years having been a recognized

2225
01:18:25,750 --> 01:18:24,159
person that was at an incident that has

2226
01:18:27,910 --> 01:18:25,760
already been socialized in the public

2227
01:18:29,990 --> 01:18:27,920
that they can see it makes it safe for

2228
01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:30,000
them to approach this subject

2229
01:18:33,430 --> 01:18:31,920
and once they've approached the subject

2230
01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:33,440
a lot of these folks i never speak to

2231
01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:35,360
them again you know i'm not going to

2232
01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:37,199
name drop but i talked to eric weinstein

2233
01:18:41,270 --> 01:18:39,600
about a year ago and i'm not any elusive

2234
01:18:42,950 --> 01:18:41,280
person that he may have spoken about i'm

2235
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:42,960
just another guy he talked to on the

2236
01:18:47,990 --> 01:18:45,199
phone but i was part of the process of

2237
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:48,000
going thanks for taking my call yes i'm

2238
01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:49,760
not kidding this is real

2239
01:18:54,070 --> 01:18:52,080
you don't have to believe me

2240
01:18:55,669 --> 01:18:54,080
just please look at this data and decide

2241
01:18:57,990 --> 01:18:55,679
for yourself and that that's the chance

2242
01:19:00,229 --> 01:18:58,000
that so many of us have been asking

2243
01:19:02,630 --> 01:19:00,239
for for so long with what we call

2244
01:19:04,709 --> 01:19:02,640
leadership or or or the media or

2245
01:19:06,790 --> 01:19:04,719
government that we're finally there

2246
01:19:09,910 --> 01:19:06,800
these people who are institutional

2247
01:19:11,750 --> 01:19:09,920
leaders are taking this seriously

2248
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:11,760
do you think that should also spread to

2249
01:19:16,310 --> 01:19:14,800
cultural figures as well

2250
01:19:17,430 --> 01:19:16,320
is that something that's

2251
01:19:20,390 --> 01:19:17,440
come up

2252
01:19:22,070 --> 01:19:20,400
absolutely it's while people turn to

2253
01:19:23,110 --> 01:19:22,080
folks like lou and i for answers so

2254
01:19:25,430 --> 01:19:23,120
often for

2255
01:19:27,270 --> 01:19:25,440
our personal conclusions and and i know

2256
01:19:28,950 --> 01:19:27,280
that lou and i both try really hard to

2257
01:19:31,270 --> 01:19:28,960
withhold some of those because i don't

2258
01:19:32,870 --> 01:19:31,280
want my conclusions to inform another

2259
01:19:34,830 --> 01:19:32,880
person because my conclusions change all

2260
01:19:37,830 --> 01:19:34,840
the time based on the data

2261
01:19:39,270 --> 01:19:37,840
however it's pretty clear to almost any

2262
01:19:40,870 --> 01:19:39,280
of us who spend a few minutes really

2263
01:19:43,830 --> 01:19:40,880
thinking about this that we need our

2264
01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:43,840
spiritual leaders we need our

2265
01:19:49,510 --> 01:19:47,280
our um our thought leaders we need our

2266
01:19:51,669 --> 01:19:49,520
those of us who are in the um the

2267
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:51,679
consciousness sciences they all need to

2268
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:53,760
get involved because although we don't

2269
01:19:57,990 --> 01:19:55,840
understand these

2270
01:19:59,830 --> 01:19:58,000
finer aspects that may or may not

2271
01:20:01,110 --> 01:19:59,840
involve personal consciousness or group

2272
01:20:02,950 --> 01:20:01,120
consciousness

2273
01:20:04,630 --> 01:20:02,960
the people who understand those realms

2274
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:04,640
the best are the ones that should be

2275
01:20:08,709 --> 01:20:07,520
taking over the subject i am i'm i'm a

2276
01:20:11,350 --> 01:20:08,719
generalist

2277
01:20:13,350 --> 01:20:11,360
i don't belong in the laboratory

2278
01:20:14,629 --> 01:20:13,360
i i just i'm a communicator and an

2279
01:20:17,830 --> 01:20:14,639
interlocutor

2280
01:20:20,310 --> 01:20:17,840
but we need the the the experts those

2281
01:20:22,229 --> 01:20:20,320
who own the study to take their portion

2282
01:20:24,870 --> 01:20:22,239
of uap and own that as well and then

2283
01:20:26,310 --> 01:20:24,880
return the data back to all of us

2284
01:20:28,390 --> 01:20:26,320
yeah absolutely

2285
01:20:30,629 --> 01:20:28,400
and one thing that's really been

2286
01:20:32,229 --> 01:20:30,639
hitting my inbox this week as well and

2287
01:20:34,629 --> 01:20:32,239
it has been spoken about i think i've

2288
01:20:36,790 --> 01:20:34,639
spoken to lou about it before is how do

2289
01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:36,800
we engage people whether it be friends

2290
01:20:41,430 --> 01:20:38,880
family members work colleagues how do we

2291
01:20:43,030 --> 01:20:41,440
engage them on this subject when they've

2292
01:20:44,870 --> 01:20:43,040
really never heard about it or talked

2293
01:20:47,510 --> 01:20:44,880
about it other than seeing it on a

2294
01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:47,520
sci-fi movie or a documentary

2295
01:20:51,510 --> 01:20:49,120
you know people are still so desperate

2296
01:20:53,030 --> 01:20:51,520
to engage with their friends and family

2297
01:20:55,030 --> 01:20:53,040
just to kind of say

2298
01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:55,040
please talk about it talk to me about my

2299
01:20:58,149 --> 01:20:56,400
interest

2300
01:20:59,910 --> 01:20:58,159
can we just go over that again in a way

2301
01:21:03,590 --> 01:20:59,920
like how do how do people take that

2302
01:21:05,350 --> 01:21:03,600
first step in in your opinions

2303
01:21:06,950 --> 01:21:05,360
i'm gonna um

2304
01:21:09,189 --> 01:21:06,960
i'm gonna probably take some people off

2305
01:21:11,430 --> 01:21:09,199
and i'm gonna say first you have to ask

2306
01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:11,440
yourself yourself if you're if you're

2307
01:21:15,750 --> 01:21:13,600
validation seeking

2308
01:21:18,550 --> 01:21:15,760
right and we're human beings we need

2309
01:21:20,470 --> 01:21:18,560
that we need that validation but how

2310
01:21:21,910 --> 01:21:20,480
much of that is the need to communicate

2311
01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:21,920
your story

2312
01:21:25,350 --> 01:21:23,600
it's understandable

2313
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:25,360
but people who have not had those

2314
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:28,800
experiences that are so out of the realm

2315
01:21:32,550 --> 01:21:30,480
of normalcy

2316
01:21:34,229 --> 01:21:32,560
that there's i won't i won't fish for

2317
01:21:36,149 --> 01:21:34,239
psychological terms there's a there's a

2318
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:36,159
wall that drops down

2319
01:21:39,910 --> 01:21:38,400
and a lot of times because that person

2320
01:21:41,590 --> 01:21:39,920
loves us or cares about us or has a

2321
01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:41,600
relationship we get a lot of grace from

2322
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:42,400
them

2323
01:21:45,189 --> 01:21:43,760
and they tune us out just like we're

2324
01:21:46,629 --> 01:21:45,199
telling them about a television show

2325
01:21:48,229 --> 01:21:46,639
that they don't care about because

2326
01:21:49,990 --> 01:21:48,239
that's as deep as they can get with it

2327
01:21:52,470 --> 01:21:50,000
they haven't they haven't wrapped their

2328
01:21:54,070 --> 01:21:52,480
head around some of the implications of

2329
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:54,080
the reality of this

2330
01:21:57,990 --> 01:21:56,400
and so we have to we have to be

2331
01:21:59,590 --> 01:21:58,000
we have to be gracious when it comes to

2332
01:22:01,510 --> 01:21:59,600
our family members that seem like they

2333
01:22:02,870 --> 01:22:01,520
don't care about something that is so

2334
01:22:04,390 --> 01:22:02,880
important to us that it's tearing the

2335
01:22:07,510 --> 01:22:04,400
heart out of us it's keeping us up at

2336
01:22:10,070 --> 01:22:07,520
night it focuses our interests

2337
01:22:11,990 --> 01:22:10,080
um but at the same time you can't fall

2338
01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:12,000
into the confirmation bias bubble of

2339
01:22:15,189 --> 01:22:13,440
just

2340
01:22:18,070 --> 01:22:15,199
finding the people who think what you

2341
01:22:20,390 --> 01:22:18,080
think and staying there so it's tough

2342
01:22:22,390 --> 01:22:20,400
um that's why i say it's so personal i

2343
01:22:24,709 --> 01:22:22,400
have the same

2344
01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:24,719
challenges with my family um my some of

2345
01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:26,719
my family was here recently

2346
01:22:30,229 --> 01:22:28,800
and they were asking the questions but

2347
01:22:32,709 --> 01:22:30,239
it seemed like every time the answer

2348
01:22:33,590 --> 01:22:32,719
started the glaze came over

2349
01:22:35,430 --> 01:22:33,600
and

2350
01:22:36,950 --> 01:22:35,440
when we were done it was just okay well

2351
01:22:38,550 --> 01:22:36,960
what's for dinner there was no follow-on

2352
01:22:40,950 --> 01:22:38,560
conversation so it's

2353
01:22:42,070 --> 01:22:40,960
it's very confusing it's it's it's tough

2354
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:42,080
it how you have to approach it with

2355
01:22:45,030 --> 01:22:43,520
grace

2356
01:22:46,790 --> 01:22:45,040
yeah absolutely

2357
01:22:48,870 --> 01:22:46,800
dan you know do you do you have anything

2358
01:22:50,629 --> 01:22:48,880
to add on that because you know sorry

2359
01:22:52,149 --> 01:22:50,639
dan before before you jump in i know

2360
01:22:54,070 --> 01:22:52,159
you've

2361
01:22:56,390 --> 01:22:54,080
had experiences in the past do you feel

2362
01:22:58,229 --> 01:22:56,400
that that's helped you talk about it

2363
01:22:59,110 --> 01:22:58,239
saying look i've seen something or done

2364
01:23:00,950 --> 01:22:59,120
you know

2365
01:23:02,229 --> 01:23:00,960
experienced this because a lot of people

2366
01:23:04,870 --> 01:23:02,239
haven't and

2367
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:04,880
they're just genuinely interested in it

2368
01:23:08,310 --> 01:23:06,480
yeah i mean

2369
01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:08,320
there's definitely a different quality

2370
01:23:11,750 --> 01:23:10,320
to the discussion when you've had

2371
01:23:15,350 --> 01:23:11,760
the an experience with something

2372
01:23:19,110 --> 01:23:17,110
you've got a personal stake in it i

2373
01:23:20,950 --> 01:23:19,120
guess when that happens because

2374
01:23:23,430 --> 01:23:20,960
when people dismiss it it makes you feel

2375
01:23:26,470 --> 01:23:23,440
like you're crazy when you're grappling

2376
01:23:28,790 --> 01:23:26,480
with reality maybe not being as

2377
01:23:30,709 --> 01:23:28,800
as fixed as the world has told you

2378
01:23:33,030 --> 01:23:30,719
growing up and and that can be real

2379
01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:33,040
scary so i really appreciate the moments

2380
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:35,040
like this and you know luca and sean

2381
01:23:39,189 --> 01:23:37,600
kind and yourself as well vinnie just

2382
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:39,199
talking in the community and providing

2383
01:23:43,350 --> 01:23:41,280
the space where you can share those

2384
01:23:44,950 --> 01:23:43,360
experiences without being laughed out of

2385
01:23:46,950 --> 01:23:44,960
the room

2386
01:23:49,030 --> 01:23:46,960
it really helps you kind of drill down

2387
01:23:53,189 --> 01:23:49,040
and

2388
01:23:54,550 --> 01:23:53,199
those feelings as opposed to just

2389
01:23:56,550 --> 01:23:54,560
putting them in some dark closet and

2390
01:23:58,629 --> 01:23:56,560
carrying on with your nine to five and

2391
01:24:02,390 --> 01:23:58,639
and you know over the long term creating

2392
01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:02,400
yourself some some real trauma i guess

2393
01:24:06,070 --> 01:24:04,560
if i can jump on two real quick i i

2394
01:24:08,149 --> 01:24:06,080
agree with you dan you know we're

2395
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:08,159
talking about a topic that

2396
01:24:13,110 --> 01:24:10,800
challenges people from depending on how

2397
01:24:15,189 --> 01:24:13,120
you were raised in your culture slightly

2398
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:15,199
different i mean there are

2399
01:24:20,070 --> 01:24:17,360
there are theological real theological

2400
01:24:21,910 --> 01:24:20,080
considerations there's sociological

2401
01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:21,920
considerations there's philosophical

2402
01:24:25,350 --> 01:24:23,920
considerations and there's psychological

2403
01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:25,360
considerations

2404
01:24:30,550 --> 01:24:27,440
and each person is going to react

2405
01:24:32,709 --> 01:24:30,560
slightly different to to this topic and

2406
01:24:35,110 --> 01:24:32,719
what i would do is when you have a

2407
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:35,120
conversation you know

2408
01:24:38,709 --> 01:24:36,960
having a way we say look you know this

2409
01:24:39,910 --> 01:24:38,719
this conversation doesn't have to

2410
01:24:41,590 --> 01:24:39,920
conflict

2411
01:24:43,430 --> 01:24:41,600
with whatever preconceived notions you

2412
01:24:45,270 --> 01:24:43,440
already have or the value systems that

2413
01:24:48,310 --> 01:24:45,280
you already have in place

2414
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:48,320
uh or what you think about the notion of

2415
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:51,600
god or a creator or anything else

2416
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:53,040
you know it

2417
01:24:59,350 --> 01:24:56,480
it doesn't have to be a a direct assault

2418
01:25:01,910 --> 01:24:59,360
or an affront on your your your the

2419
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:01,920
preconceived narrative you already have

2420
01:25:07,110 --> 01:25:04,560
um look at it as just additional

2421
01:25:08,790 --> 01:25:07,120
information to help inform you of of

2422
01:25:10,229 --> 01:25:08,800
what's around you know it's it's very

2423
01:25:11,590 --> 01:25:10,239
much like

2424
01:25:13,430 --> 01:25:11,600
and i keep going back to this when

2425
01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:13,440
galileo proposed using some of the

2426
01:25:17,669 --> 01:25:15,280
principles of copernicus that the the

2427
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:17,679
the sun the earth was not the center of

2428
01:25:20,550 --> 01:25:18,960
the solar system

2429
01:25:21,910 --> 01:25:20,560
you know that rocked the boat right

2430
01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:21,920
there are people that refused to even

2431
01:25:24,709 --> 01:25:23,040
look through the through the very

2432
01:25:27,750 --> 01:25:24,719
telescope that he was trying to prove

2433
01:25:29,669 --> 01:25:27,760
the point um at the end of the day it

2434
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:29,679
didn't you know it was perceived to have

2435
01:25:32,950 --> 01:25:31,679
challenged the church at the time but

2436
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:32,960
now we look back and we say well that's

2437
01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:35,280
nonsensical you know all it does is show

2438
01:25:38,229 --> 01:25:36,560
you the grandeur and beauty of the

2439
01:25:40,790 --> 01:25:38,239
universe for what it really is right if

2440
01:25:44,149 --> 01:25:40,800
anything it expands your your your your

2441
01:25:45,189 --> 01:25:44,159
appreciation of potentially a a a higher

2442
01:25:48,070 --> 01:25:45,199
creator

2443
01:25:49,350 --> 01:25:48,080
the notion of one um and i guess what i

2444
01:25:51,590 --> 01:25:49,360
would do is say look you know when you

2445
01:25:53,510 --> 01:25:51,600
have a conversation about uaps it

2446
01:25:56,229 --> 01:25:53,520
doesn't have to

2447
01:25:57,590 --> 01:25:56,239
conflict or contradict

2448
01:26:00,149 --> 01:25:57,600
people's narratives that they already

2449
01:26:02,470 --> 01:26:00,159
have in their brain if hopefully if it's

2450
01:26:04,629 --> 01:26:02,480
done properly it can help them augment

2451
01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:04,639
and and assimilate new data new

2452
01:26:08,950 --> 01:26:07,440
information and help build upon whatever

2453
01:26:11,270 --> 01:26:08,960
you know narrative that they're that

2454
01:26:12,629 --> 01:26:11,280
they're building for themselves um

2455
01:26:14,790 --> 01:26:12,639
again i don't think it has to be a

2456
01:26:16,629 --> 01:26:14,800
destructive force i think it can be a

2457
01:26:19,510 --> 01:26:16,639
constructive force

2458
01:26:23,510 --> 01:26:19,520
if if handled properly

2459
01:26:25,590 --> 01:26:23,520
yeah absolutely absolutely um one thing

2460
01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:25,600
again another thing that has been

2461
01:26:28,790 --> 01:26:27,440
filling my inboxes

2462
01:26:30,950 --> 01:26:28,800
what's happening in the in the

2463
01:26:33,830 --> 01:26:30,960
government in the congress dod pentagon

2464
01:26:36,149 --> 01:26:33,840
who's looking at the subject right now

2465
01:26:39,189 --> 01:26:36,159
is it still the uap task force have we

2466
01:26:40,149 --> 01:26:39,199
moved on to aoi msg or have the new

2467
01:26:42,390 --> 01:26:40,159
office

2468
01:26:44,310 --> 01:26:42,400
has it been implemented and is working

2469
01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:44,320
uh where are we at i think people are

2470
01:26:47,990 --> 01:26:45,840
just a bit like

2471
01:26:51,189 --> 01:26:48,000
in the dark

2472
01:26:52,790 --> 01:26:51,199
um i i suspect that's a question for me

2473
01:26:57,990 --> 01:26:52,800
i i

2474
01:26:59,910 --> 01:26:58,000
pinpoint it but please

2475
01:27:02,550 --> 01:26:59,920
i i can't speak on behalf of the

2476
01:27:04,870 --> 01:27:02,560
government but what i can say is that i

2477
01:27:08,950 --> 01:27:04,880
think we're in a period of transition

2478
01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:08,960
uh in a good way um you are now as i've

2479
01:27:12,550 --> 01:27:10,960
mentioned before how we're shifting into

2480
01:27:14,310 --> 01:27:12,560
gears you know for the last four years

2481
01:27:15,910 --> 01:27:14,320
we have these little milestones that we

2482
01:27:17,110 --> 01:27:15,920
hit and then we shift until the year

2483
01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:17,120
well i think you're seeing that with the

2484
01:27:20,229 --> 01:27:18,400
government i think you see the

2485
01:27:22,629 --> 01:27:20,239
government finally shifting into first

2486
01:27:24,629 --> 01:27:22,639
gear on this and the car

2487
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:24,639
moving out of neutral and beginning to

2488
01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:27,120
to gain some some momentum and some

2489
01:27:30,830 --> 01:27:29,520
energy and some steam um

2490
01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:30,840
you have

2491
01:27:36,070 --> 01:27:33,520
a some discussion that will at some

2492
01:27:38,390 --> 01:27:36,080
point potentially dissolve the uap task

2493
01:27:39,669 --> 01:27:38,400
force maybe it decides to come back in a

2494
01:27:41,910 --> 01:27:39,679
different fashion

2495
01:27:44,790 --> 01:27:41,920
you have a governance board or an

2496
01:27:47,350 --> 01:27:44,800
oversight committee at the usdi

2497
01:27:49,030 --> 01:27:47,360
you have the services to include the

2498
01:27:51,669 --> 01:27:49,040
navy and the army

2499
01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:51,679
uh and and the air force to some degree

2500
01:27:55,590 --> 01:27:53,520
not as much as we would like

2501
01:27:58,070 --> 01:27:55,600
uh coming to the table and having

2502
01:28:00,709 --> 01:27:58,080
conversations you have um

2503
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:00,719
the the discussion of key individuals

2504
01:28:05,430 --> 01:28:02,719
who will actually be running this and

2505
01:28:08,229 --> 01:28:05,440
and to my relief and delight

2506
01:28:10,629 --> 01:28:08,239
um it's no longer the individuals who

2507
01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:10,639
were stonewalling this topic to begin

2508
01:28:14,790 --> 01:28:12,719
with um that was my fear initially when

2509
01:28:17,430 --> 01:28:14,800
usdi my old office

2510
01:28:19,270 --> 01:28:17,440
was given uh charge to this

2511
01:28:20,070 --> 01:28:19,280
but i think cooler heads prevailed and i

2512
01:28:22,149 --> 01:28:20,080
think

2513
01:28:24,470 --> 01:28:22,159
um people realize that we need fresh

2514
01:28:26,709 --> 01:28:24,480
blood in there um to to look at this

2515
01:28:28,070 --> 01:28:26,719
topic um if we're gonna if we're gonna

2516
01:28:28,950 --> 01:28:28,080
get ahead of it and really try to figure

2517
01:28:30,790 --> 01:28:28,960
it out

2518
01:28:32,470 --> 01:28:30,800
uh we have members of congress that are

2519
01:28:34,790 --> 01:28:32,480
being informed on a regular and routine

2520
01:28:37,270 --> 01:28:34,800
basis and their staff who are doing by

2521
01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:37,280
the way incredible work behind the

2522
01:28:42,149 --> 01:28:40,000
scenes like i've i've never seen it work

2523
01:28:45,510 --> 01:28:42,159
i've never seen i hate to say functional

2524
01:28:47,189 --> 01:28:45,520
but i haven't um you have you know true

2525
01:28:48,709 --> 01:28:47,199
bipartisan support you have people on

2526
01:28:50,070 --> 01:28:48,719
opposite end of the aisles who probably

2527
01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:50,080
wouldn't even look at each other under

2528
01:28:54,070 --> 01:28:51,760
normal circumstances

2529
01:28:57,990 --> 01:28:54,080
co-sponsoring law

2530
01:29:00,070 --> 01:28:58,000
on a topic of of one that involves ufos

2531
01:29:02,390 --> 01:29:00,080
of all things right so

2532
01:29:03,750 --> 01:29:02,400
um it's it's working

2533
01:29:05,910 --> 01:29:03,760
you know and these are these are

2534
01:29:08,550 --> 01:29:05,920
big-time politicians like gillibrand and

2535
01:29:11,110 --> 01:29:08,560
marco rubio and and

2536
01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:11,120
congressman tim burchette and gallegos

2537
01:29:16,310 --> 01:29:11,760
and

2538
01:29:17,590 --> 01:29:16,320
going to make it increasingly difficult

2539
01:29:19,750 --> 01:29:17,600
if anybody

2540
01:29:22,070 --> 01:29:19,760
wants to try to push the the if you will

2541
01:29:23,750 --> 01:29:22,080
the proverbial genie back in the bottle

2542
01:29:26,550 --> 01:29:23,760
uh i don't see how that can happen at

2543
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:26,560
this point i i think i think we can the

2544
01:29:30,629 --> 01:29:28,080
only direction we can move now is

2545
01:29:33,110 --> 01:29:30,639
forward um i i don't see this

2546
01:29:34,950 --> 01:29:33,120
um ever getting back in back into the

2547
01:29:37,430 --> 01:29:34,960
bottle i think we have reached

2548
01:29:39,110 --> 01:29:37,440
disclosure that people were looking for

2549
01:29:41,510 --> 01:29:39,120
and i think now we're shifting into

2550
01:29:43,430 --> 01:29:41,520
something new which is understanding so

2551
01:29:45,590 --> 01:29:43,440
we've disclosed the reality they're real

2552
01:29:47,910 --> 01:29:45,600
we don't know what they are yet now we

2553
01:29:50,950 --> 01:29:47,920
are shifting into a new

2554
01:29:52,790 --> 01:29:50,960
new paradigm in a new era where

2555
01:29:54,310 --> 01:29:52,800
we now have accepted the reality of

2556
01:29:55,669 --> 01:29:54,320
these things now we just need to figure

2557
01:29:58,870 --> 01:29:55,679
out collectively what we want to do

2558
01:30:04,310 --> 01:30:01,590
that's encouraging thank you now i

2559
01:30:05,910 --> 01:30:04,320
believe if i'm if i'm right there should

2560
01:30:07,669 --> 01:30:05,920
be some classified briefings happening

2561
01:30:11,070 --> 01:30:07,679
within the congress in the next month or

2562
01:30:14,950 --> 01:30:11,080
two and i think last time or last summer

2563
01:30:17,189 --> 01:30:14,960
pre-preliminary assessment we heard

2564
01:30:19,350 --> 01:30:17,199
a few voices from some of these

2565
01:30:21,270 --> 01:30:19,360
senators congressmen and that not saying

2566
01:30:22,790 --> 01:30:21,280
too much but we knew they were kind of

2567
01:30:23,590 --> 01:30:22,800
heard that they'd had these briefings

2568
01:30:26,070 --> 01:30:23,600
and

2569
01:30:27,990 --> 01:30:26,080
do you expect us to hear little

2570
01:30:29,270 --> 01:30:28,000
tidbits again not of information about

2571
01:30:31,030 --> 01:30:29,280
uap but

2572
01:30:33,430 --> 01:30:31,040
that yes these classified briefings are

2573
01:30:35,990 --> 01:30:33,440
hard and you know

2574
01:30:38,709 --> 01:30:36,000
come out into the news and the media

2575
01:30:41,830 --> 01:30:38,719
yeah you know uh

2576
01:30:43,590 --> 01:30:41,840
there has been some some some

2577
01:30:46,229 --> 01:30:43,600
really historic things happening behind

2578
01:30:49,350 --> 01:30:46,239
the scenes and and congress owes it to

2579
01:30:51,270 --> 01:30:49,360
their constituents to to be

2580
01:30:53,590 --> 01:30:51,280
transparent and provide the information

2581
01:30:56,229 --> 01:30:53,600
that frankly the people deserve

2582
01:30:57,750 --> 01:30:56,239
and and congress is committed to that um

2583
01:31:00,470 --> 01:30:57,760
you know for every voice you hear

2584
01:31:02,070 --> 01:31:00,480
vocally out about this topic in congress

2585
01:31:04,390 --> 01:31:02,080
there's five more in the shadows that

2586
01:31:05,830 --> 01:31:04,400
have had their own believe it or not uap

2587
01:31:07,030 --> 01:31:05,840
encounter but they're just not ready to

2588
01:31:08,070 --> 01:31:07,040
go public with it yet they pulled me

2589
01:31:09,350 --> 01:31:08,080
aside and said look you're not going to

2590
01:31:11,030 --> 01:31:09,360
believe this but

2591
01:31:12,870 --> 01:31:11,040
you know i had my own encounter i said

2592
01:31:14,950 --> 01:31:12,880
well actually yeah you'd be surprised

2593
01:31:16,629 --> 01:31:14,960
you know i do because i hear this a lot

2594
01:31:18,790 --> 01:31:16,639
you know this listen i i don't want to

2595
01:31:20,790 --> 01:31:18,800
go public with this but you know it was

2596
01:31:22,790 --> 01:31:20,800
pretty extraordinary so

2597
01:31:24,950 --> 01:31:22,800
you know we're we're getting there every

2598
01:31:26,470 --> 01:31:24,960
day closer and closer and closer and

2599
01:31:28,950 --> 01:31:26,480
again i think

2600
01:31:30,629 --> 01:31:28,960
i i think we need to stop looking at you

2601
01:31:32,149 --> 01:31:30,639
know at this point you know well when

2602
01:31:34,950 --> 01:31:32,159
are we gonna have disclosure you've had

2603
01:31:37,430 --> 01:31:34,960
it it's there it's now long it's that we

2604
01:31:39,510 --> 01:31:37,440
are past the rubicon on that so if

2605
01:31:41,510 --> 01:31:39,520
you're looking for it then you're you're

2606
01:31:43,270 --> 01:31:41,520
you're you're you're wasting your time

2607
01:31:45,350 --> 01:31:43,280
because we've already had that we we are

2608
01:31:47,110 --> 01:31:45,360
now at a point where our government our

2609
01:31:48,470 --> 01:31:47,120
senior elected officials our senior

2610
01:31:50,709 --> 01:31:48,480
intelligence officials our senior

2611
01:31:53,590 --> 01:31:50,719
defense officials have all acknowledged

2612
01:31:55,669 --> 01:31:53,600
the reality it's real okay so

2613
01:31:58,470 --> 01:31:55,679
now let's move on where do we go from

2614
01:32:00,229 --> 01:31:58,480
here and that is in a large part because

2615
01:32:02,629 --> 01:32:00,239
in large part because of the work that

2616
01:32:04,709 --> 01:32:02,639
you vinnie and dan and your your your

2617
01:32:07,110 --> 01:32:04,719
wonderful audience have have done about

2618
01:32:08,709 --> 01:32:07,120
this topic i mean you guys mobilized a

2619
01:32:10,790 --> 01:32:08,719
virtual army

2620
01:32:12,950 --> 01:32:10,800
to to write letters to to their

2621
01:32:16,070 --> 01:32:12,960
representatives and in your country to

2622
01:32:18,310 --> 01:32:16,080
to to your ministers of parliament um

2623
01:32:19,430 --> 01:32:18,320
that's historic i mean people are now

2624
01:32:20,550 --> 01:32:19,440
listening they're paying attention

2625
01:32:22,070 --> 01:32:20,560
they're saying hey

2626
01:32:24,229 --> 01:32:22,080
there's something to see here folks this

2627
01:32:26,310 --> 01:32:24,239
is this is this is serious

2628
01:32:27,830 --> 01:32:26,320
um and that only happened because of of

2629
01:32:29,350 --> 01:32:27,840
folks like you and your audience you

2630
01:32:30,870 --> 01:32:29,360
know sean and i are only two people we

2631
01:32:32,709 --> 01:32:30,880
can only do so much

2632
01:32:34,790 --> 01:32:32,719
um and ultimately at the end of the day

2633
01:32:37,830 --> 01:32:34,800
it takes an army or a village depending

2634
01:32:39,669 --> 01:32:37,840
how you look at it uh and we've we've uh

2635
01:32:41,590 --> 01:32:39,679
we've um

2636
01:32:43,510 --> 01:32:41,600
we've achieved that collectively and and

2637
01:32:45,189 --> 01:32:43,520
how wonderful it is that we can all sit

2638
01:32:47,030 --> 01:32:45,199
here and talk together and

2639
01:32:48,870 --> 01:32:47,040
you know have this conversation my only

2640
01:32:50,310 --> 01:32:48,880
regret is that you know we could

2641
01:32:51,590 --> 01:32:50,320
every member of your audience couldn't

2642
01:32:53,750 --> 01:32:51,600
have one of these screens and we could

2643
01:32:55,270 --> 01:32:53,760
all see everybody wouldn't that be great

2644
01:32:56,390 --> 01:32:55,280
and we could all have this conversation

2645
01:32:58,310 --> 01:32:56,400
together

2646
01:33:00,950 --> 01:32:58,320
maybe we'll have the technology soon do

2647
01:33:02,390 --> 01:33:00,960
that but i i would love nothing more i

2648
01:33:04,149 --> 01:33:02,400
mean can you imagine have everybody

2649
01:33:06,629 --> 01:33:04,159
right now in your audience on a screen

2650
01:33:09,430 --> 01:33:06,639
like this for all of us to just interact

2651
01:33:11,750 --> 01:33:09,440
and and talk right i mean that's that's

2652
01:33:14,390 --> 01:33:11,760
magic man that's and that's that's how

2653
01:33:18,709 --> 01:33:17,030
part of me wonders if kind of

2654
01:33:20,550 --> 01:33:18,719
you know the age we're in now is this

2655
01:33:22,149 --> 01:33:20,560
age of communication where we're all

2656
01:33:24,390 --> 01:33:22,159
connected no matter where we are on the

2657
01:33:26,790 --> 01:33:24,400
planet some better than others but we're

2658
01:33:28,390 --> 01:33:26,800
all talking and people always ask you

2659
01:33:30,070 --> 01:33:28,400
know why now why is this happening now

2660
01:33:32,550 --> 01:33:30,080
and i wonder if that isn't part of it

2661
01:33:34,790 --> 01:33:32,560
that we're all actually starting to to

2662
01:33:39,510 --> 01:33:34,800
properly connect and talk to each other

2663
01:33:44,229 --> 01:33:42,709
dan you and i dip into the you know the

2664
01:33:45,669 --> 01:33:44,239
esoteric side of meditation and

2665
01:33:47,030 --> 01:33:45,679
consciousness a lot

2666
01:33:48,870 --> 01:33:47,040
and i was thinking about this the other

2667
01:33:50,550 --> 01:33:48,880
day because the question of why now

2668
01:33:51,990 --> 01:33:50,560
frustrates the hell out of me every time

2669
01:33:53,590 --> 01:33:52,000
i hear him

2670
01:33:55,510 --> 01:33:53,600
especially when someone tries to apply

2671
01:33:57,189 --> 01:33:55,520
it to my own life you know they're like

2672
01:33:58,470 --> 01:33:57,199
why are you doing that now half the time

2673
01:34:00,550 --> 01:33:58,480
i don't know because i'm doing it now

2674
01:34:03,270 --> 01:34:00,560
and i think that's the answer it's

2675
01:34:05,510 --> 01:34:03,280
because when is it it is now

2676
01:34:08,070 --> 01:34:05,520
it's always now so the fact that you

2677
01:34:09,750 --> 01:34:08,080
have noticed something is occurring

2678
01:34:11,270 --> 01:34:09,760
if you weren't part of the planning or

2679
01:34:12,870 --> 01:34:11,280
you didn't have heads up on it it's a

2680
01:34:15,270 --> 01:34:12,880
surprise well that's why because you

2681
01:34:17,270 --> 01:34:15,280
didn't know that's why you know none of

2682
01:34:18,870 --> 01:34:17,280
these things happened overnight kind of

2683
01:34:20,149 --> 01:34:18,880
like when as the as the folks in the

2684
01:34:22,229 --> 01:34:20,159
government

2685
01:34:23,910 --> 01:34:22,239
find out it's real as we've established

2686
01:34:25,750 --> 01:34:23,920
that that you know as lou said that

2687
01:34:27,590 --> 01:34:25,760
disclosure has happened

2688
01:34:29,669 --> 01:34:27,600
but every all these people are going but

2689
01:34:31,510 --> 01:34:29,679
i haven't heard it yet well

2690
01:34:33,910 --> 01:34:31,520
the world doesn't revolve around what's

2691
01:34:35,830 --> 01:34:33,920
been announced to you and your feed

2692
01:34:38,070 --> 01:34:35,840
you know it move it trucks along without

2693
01:34:39,510 --> 01:34:38,080
the rest of us so a tipping point has

2694
01:34:41,270 --> 01:34:39,520
been reached

2695
01:34:43,270 --> 01:34:41,280
but perhaps the tipping point that pop

2696
01:34:44,470 --> 01:34:43,280
ufo is expected and wanted hasn't been

2697
01:34:46,229 --> 01:34:44,480
reached yet

2698
01:34:47,669 --> 01:34:46,239
but that's not necessarily the thing we

2699
01:34:50,149 --> 01:34:47,679
were ever aiming for we're aiming for

2700
01:34:52,390 --> 01:34:50,159
ground ground state truth that we can

2701
01:34:53,510 --> 01:34:52,400
share and socialize and solve

2702
01:34:56,870 --> 01:34:53,520
so

2703
01:34:57,990 --> 01:34:56,880
couldn't say it better myself you know i

2704
01:35:00,629 --> 01:34:58,000
think

2705
01:35:02,550 --> 01:35:00,639
most people have in their head what what

2706
01:35:04,070 --> 01:35:02,560
disclosure means the problem is that's

2707
01:35:05,510 --> 01:35:04,080
not really what it means that's their

2708
01:35:07,830 --> 01:35:05,520
their their idea of what disclosure

2709
01:35:10,550 --> 01:35:07,840
means right um disclosure simply means

2710
01:35:12,709 --> 01:35:10,560
the acknowledgment of of

2711
01:35:16,390 --> 01:35:12,719
of a fact and that's where we are

2712
01:35:18,310 --> 01:35:16,400
um so it may not be exactly the flavor

2713
01:35:19,430 --> 01:35:18,320
that people was a lot of people were

2714
01:35:22,790 --> 01:35:19,440
expecting

2715
01:35:25,189 --> 01:35:22,800
but for me you know it's it's um i think

2716
01:35:28,870 --> 01:35:25,199
it's it's it's a damn fine start i think

2717
01:35:29,910 --> 01:35:28,880
we we have gotten we have received more

2718
01:35:31,669 --> 01:35:29,920
in the last

2719
01:35:33,430 --> 01:35:31,679
four years in the way of momentum and

2720
01:35:35,270 --> 01:35:33,440
support than we have in the last 75

2721
01:35:37,189 --> 01:35:35,280
years and there's a level of dignity and

2722
01:35:38,390 --> 01:35:37,199
respect now to this topic that wasn't

2723
01:35:39,830 --> 01:35:38,400
there before

2724
01:35:41,350 --> 01:35:39,840
uh you know a lot of people say oh well

2725
01:35:42,950 --> 01:35:41,360
there was really good researchers again

2726
01:35:45,350 --> 01:35:42,960
i know they were good researchers but

2727
01:35:46,950 --> 01:35:45,360
but it didn't lead to anything it led to

2728
01:35:48,870 --> 01:35:46,960
to an echo chamber where people could

2729
01:35:50,709 --> 01:35:48,880
have a conversation among themselves but

2730
01:35:53,189 --> 01:35:50,719
it didn't do anything we weren't able to

2731
01:35:54,470 --> 01:35:53,199
to get government off its ass and do

2732
01:35:55,510 --> 01:35:54,480
something and get the military and get

2733
01:35:56,790 --> 01:35:55,520
the intelligence community at the

2734
01:35:58,070 --> 01:35:56,800
scientific community get the academic

2735
01:36:00,709 --> 01:35:58,080
community and get you see where i'm

2736
01:36:02,629 --> 01:36:00,719
going with this right so so

2737
01:36:03,910 --> 01:36:02,639
a lot has happened in the last four

2738
01:36:05,830 --> 01:36:03,920
years and anybody who doesn't

2739
01:36:07,510 --> 01:36:05,840
acknowledge it well you know you

2740
01:36:09,109 --> 01:36:07,520
continue living in la la land if you

2741
01:36:10,870 --> 01:36:09,119
want but you know we're going to

2742
01:36:12,950 --> 01:36:10,880
continue doing what we're doing and and

2743
01:36:14,629 --> 01:36:12,960
the momentum is building every day more

2744
01:36:16,149 --> 01:36:14,639
and more and more and more and more

2745
01:36:18,229 --> 01:36:16,159
data's coming out more incidents are

2746
01:36:19,830 --> 01:36:18,239
being reported by the way i've said this

2747
01:36:20,790 --> 01:36:19,840
before people look at the nimitz well we

2748
01:36:21,990 --> 01:36:20,800
haven't heard anything since the

2749
01:36:23,270 --> 01:36:22,000
roosevelt well

2750
01:36:24,629 --> 01:36:23,280
you haven't been listening very well

2751
01:36:27,030 --> 01:36:24,639
because these things are happening every

2752
01:36:29,590 --> 01:36:27,040
week now i mean like every week things

2753
01:36:31,830 --> 01:36:29,600
are happening um it's it's a pretty big

2754
01:36:35,030 --> 01:36:31,840
deal and the government is is now you

2755
01:36:36,709 --> 01:36:35,040
know taking this very very seriously

2756
01:36:39,510 --> 01:36:36,719
yep

2757
01:36:41,350 --> 01:36:39,520
indeed indeed gentlemen listen i'm going

2758
01:36:43,669 --> 01:36:41,360
to close it out soon but before i'm

2759
01:36:44,550 --> 01:36:43,679
going to go around and ask each of one

2760
01:36:47,430 --> 01:36:44,560
of you

2761
01:36:50,229 --> 01:36:47,440
what's next so dan i'll start with you

2762
01:36:52,790 --> 01:36:50,239
what's next for dan zetterstrom

2763
01:36:55,189 --> 01:36:52,800
uh it's a very good question i've got

2764
01:36:57,590 --> 01:36:55,199
coming up my my own podcast show where

2765
01:36:59,030 --> 01:36:57,600
we're gonna kind of be running off into

2766
01:37:00,550 --> 01:36:59,040
into the forest a little bit and just

2767
01:37:03,430 --> 01:37:00,560
kind of delving into a little bit of the

2768
01:37:06,310 --> 01:37:03,440
more esoteric subjects that this one

2769
01:37:08,070 --> 01:37:06,320
touches against um when that launch i i

2770
01:37:09,590 --> 01:37:08,080
don't know uh

2771
01:37:11,830 --> 01:37:09,600
it was meant to be january but then

2772
01:37:14,950 --> 01:37:11,840
colombia happened and and life life just

2773
01:37:17,030 --> 01:37:14,960
gets crazy um but it'll launch when it's

2774
01:37:18,629 --> 01:37:17,040
ready to launch i guess when it kind of

2775
01:37:21,430 --> 01:37:18,639
hits my quality bar

2776
01:37:23,189 --> 01:37:21,440
uh looked at that ufo podcast for for

2777
01:37:24,870 --> 01:37:23,199
any of my other stuff i'm sure you'll

2778
01:37:27,430 --> 01:37:24,880
see me produce a lot of arts do with the

2779
01:37:29,990 --> 01:37:27,440
columbia trip um i and a lot is already

2780
01:37:32,070 --> 01:37:30,000
pouring out of me so yeah just just keep

2781
01:37:34,070 --> 01:37:32,080
an eye eventually vinnie and i will do a

2782
01:37:35,590 --> 01:37:34,080
show as well where we just go over a lot

2783
01:37:37,750 --> 01:37:35,600
of footage that we took in colombia kind

2784
01:37:39,189 --> 01:37:37,760
of behind the scenes of the documentary

2785
01:37:40,149 --> 01:37:39,199
if you will i i think that'll be a lot

2786
01:37:43,189 --> 01:37:40,159
of fun

2787
01:37:45,030 --> 01:37:43,199
oh yes it will indeed we we made sure

2788
01:37:46,709 --> 01:37:45,040
that with all the

2789
01:37:48,790 --> 01:37:46,719
focus on the documentary series being

2790
01:37:50,709 --> 01:37:48,800
made filmed and the research and

2791
01:37:52,790 --> 01:37:50,719
investigation and everything me and dan

2792
01:37:55,030 --> 01:37:52,800
were there with our phones

2793
01:37:56,950 --> 01:37:55,040
we wanted to do something for everyone

2794
01:37:58,790 --> 01:37:56,960
like dan said so we could sit here and

2795
01:38:02,070 --> 01:37:58,800
just show behind the scenes and the

2796
01:38:02,950 --> 01:38:02,080
beauty and the people and the experience

2797
01:38:11,189 --> 01:38:02,960
so

2798
01:38:13,430 --> 01:38:11,199
you what is next for sean cahill

2799
01:38:15,990 --> 01:38:13,440
well in a lot of ways um this may sound

2800
01:38:17,669 --> 01:38:16,000
presumptuous to some people but in a lot

2801
01:38:20,790 --> 01:38:17,679
of ways there's a tiny little mission

2802
01:38:22,149 --> 01:38:20,800
accomplished uh banner hanging in sky

2803
01:38:24,550 --> 01:38:22,159
fort's

2804
01:38:26,870 --> 01:38:24,560
mental offices

2805
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:26,880
what we set out to do has occurred here

2806
01:38:30,790 --> 01:38:28,960
in the united states

2807
01:38:32,229 --> 01:38:30,800
now to us it's important you guys know

2808
01:38:33,510 --> 01:38:32,239
this because you're you're deeply

2809
01:38:35,910 --> 01:38:33,520
involved with it

2810
01:38:37,510 --> 01:38:35,920
we want to export that ideal

2811
01:38:39,109 --> 01:38:37,520
across the pond

2812
01:38:42,149 --> 01:38:39,119
into the great white north and anywhere

2813
01:38:43,270 --> 01:38:42,159
else that that's receptive to it because

2814
01:38:45,189 --> 01:38:43,280
as you guys know it's about

2815
01:38:48,070 --> 01:38:45,199
communication it's about authenticity

2816
01:38:51,270 --> 01:38:48,080
it's about being additive using the data

2817
01:38:52,470 --> 01:38:51,280
and trying to create pathways of

2818
01:38:54,629 --> 01:38:52,480
understanding

2819
01:38:57,109 --> 01:38:54,639
um we haven't tried to corner the market

2820
01:38:59,109 --> 01:38:57,119
on anything we're not asking for

2821
01:39:01,030 --> 01:38:59,119
for uh spotlight or for money or

2822
01:39:03,590 --> 01:39:01,040
anything like that and you guys

2823
01:39:06,310 --> 01:39:03,600
understand that that worked for us and

2824
01:39:07,270 --> 01:39:06,320
we want to help not export that ideal i

2825
01:39:09,189 --> 01:39:07,280
don't want to put any of those silly

2826
01:39:11,270 --> 01:39:09,199
phrases on it or anything like that

2827
01:39:12,950 --> 01:39:11,280
but we want to give all of our best

2828
01:39:13,910 --> 01:39:12,960
practices to you guys

2829
01:39:17,109 --> 01:39:13,920
and then

2830
01:39:20,149 --> 01:39:17,119
in in as much of a legal way that we can

2831
01:39:21,430 --> 01:39:20,159
help advise or or give advice as as it's

2832
01:39:23,510 --> 01:39:21,440
solicited

2833
01:39:24,709 --> 01:39:23,520
um that's what's important to me is to

2834
01:39:26,390 --> 01:39:24,719
keep this ball rolling because it

2835
01:39:28,470 --> 01:39:26,400
doesn't it doesn't just exist within the

2836
01:39:30,390 --> 01:39:28,480
microcosm of the united states and it

2837
01:39:33,109 --> 01:39:30,400
doesn't just exist in the mic in in the

2838
01:39:34,310 --> 01:39:33,119
west or or in the northern hemisphere

2839
01:39:37,430 --> 01:39:34,320
this is something that's going to have

2840
01:39:38,709 --> 01:39:37,440
to eventually reach out all of humanity

2841
01:39:40,229 --> 01:39:38,719
and its decisions we're going to have to

2842
01:39:42,229 --> 01:39:40,239
make together we're just going to keep

2843
01:39:44,229 --> 01:39:42,239
repeating the same mistakes

2844
01:39:46,709 --> 01:39:44,239
so that's what's next for me the the

2845
01:39:47,910 --> 01:39:46,719
journey never ends um

2846
01:39:49,510 --> 01:39:47,920
tiny little banner of mission

2847
01:39:51,830 --> 01:39:49,520
accomplishment now it's time to try to

2848
01:39:54,629 --> 01:39:51,840
carve off a bigger mission

2849
01:39:56,149 --> 01:39:54,639
beautifully said thank you hello what's

2850
01:39:58,310 --> 01:39:56,159
next

2851
01:40:01,430 --> 01:39:58,320
well hopefully mexican food and a big

2852
01:40:03,270 --> 01:40:01,440
margarita tonight um if i'm lucky that's

2853
01:40:06,390 --> 01:40:03,280
what i'd like to do that's what but it's

2854
01:40:07,590 --> 01:40:06,400
an immediate radar um i'm uh i'm but i

2855
01:40:09,270 --> 01:40:07,600
suppose you're not

2856
01:40:13,510 --> 01:40:09,280
you're not asking that

2857
01:40:17,510 --> 01:40:15,750
you don't have to say anything this and

2858
01:40:18,629 --> 01:40:17,520
and i will reiterate this

2859
01:40:22,709 --> 01:40:18,639
because i've said it to a lot of people

2860
01:40:24,709 --> 01:40:22,719
today this wasn't a a an interview where

2861
01:40:26,550 --> 01:40:24,719
lou is put in the chair and asked

2862
01:40:28,070 --> 01:40:26,560
questions give us information i wanted

2863
01:40:29,430 --> 01:40:28,080
this to be a conversation between

2864
01:40:30,870 --> 01:40:29,440
friends so if the next thing you do is

2865
01:40:33,109 --> 01:40:30,880
simply that

2866
01:40:35,189 --> 01:40:33,119
that's what's happening it's all good um

2867
01:40:37,430 --> 01:40:35,199
you know what there's there's two things

2868
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:37,440
um one um

2869
01:40:41,030 --> 01:40:38,880
expect that we are going to be shifting

2870
01:40:42,709 --> 01:40:41,040
into high gear here um we're gonna be

2871
01:40:45,030 --> 01:40:42,719
make if you think we've made a splash so

2872
01:40:46,550 --> 01:40:45,040
far you ain't seen nothing yet um

2873
01:40:47,990 --> 01:40:46,560
there's gonna be some announcements this

2874
01:40:49,590 --> 01:40:48,000
year i think that will

2875
01:40:51,910 --> 01:40:49,600
that are gonna

2876
01:40:55,109 --> 01:40:51,920
hopefully resonate um i will tell you

2877
01:40:57,830 --> 01:40:55,119
that i'm going to steal a a uh

2878
01:40:59,350 --> 01:40:57,840
a little um saying here that sean has

2879
01:41:01,109 --> 01:40:59,360
told to me over and over again and i'm

2880
01:41:02,950 --> 01:41:01,119
going to steal it because i really like

2881
01:41:06,390 --> 01:41:02,960
it you know

2882
01:41:07,910 --> 01:41:06,400
we are going to transform the notion of

2883
01:41:11,189 --> 01:41:07,920
men in black

2884
01:41:13,669 --> 01:41:11,199
we want to be uh the men in technicolor

2885
01:41:15,350 --> 01:41:13,679
completely transparent and let everybody

2886
01:41:18,070 --> 01:41:15,360
see everything that we're doing

2887
01:41:21,109 --> 01:41:18,080
nothing's hidden in the shadows

2888
01:41:22,950 --> 01:41:21,119
we think transparency and sunlight is

2889
01:41:24,550 --> 01:41:22,960
the best antiseptic to anything

2890
01:41:25,910 --> 01:41:24,560
especially a topic that's been kept in

2891
01:41:28,470 --> 01:41:25,920
the shadows

2892
01:41:29,669 --> 01:41:28,480
for over 75 years

2893
01:41:32,790 --> 01:41:29,679
so

2894
01:41:34,310 --> 01:41:32,800
expect us to take that and and try to

2895
01:41:36,629 --> 01:41:34,320
dismantle

2896
01:41:38,950 --> 01:41:36,639
any type of over secrecy on this topic

2897
01:41:40,229 --> 01:41:38,960
now let me let me caveat over secrecy

2898
01:41:41,189 --> 01:41:40,239
okay there's going to be portions of

2899
01:41:42,790 --> 01:41:41,199
this topic that are still going to

2900
01:41:44,229 --> 01:41:42,800
remain classified and that's just we got

2901
01:41:45,189 --> 01:41:44,239
to get over it that's just the reality

2902
01:41:47,430 --> 01:41:45,199
of things

2903
01:41:49,030 --> 01:41:47,440
but but the vast majority of it doesn't

2904
01:41:50,629 --> 01:41:49,040
have to be and and that's what we want

2905
01:41:52,310 --> 01:41:50,639
to do we want to bring light to this

2906
01:41:54,149 --> 01:41:52,320
topic and there's other means and

2907
01:41:55,430 --> 01:41:54,159
mechanisms that we can do

2908
01:41:56,870 --> 01:41:55,440
and i think some of those are going to

2909
01:41:59,109 --> 01:41:56,880
start to become very apparent here

2910
01:42:00,950 --> 01:41:59,119
within the following months and

2911
01:42:01,990 --> 01:42:00,960
this year i think people will look back

2912
01:42:05,510 --> 01:42:02,000
and say

2913
01:42:07,510 --> 01:42:05,520
uh that's what lou and sean meant um

2914
01:42:09,350 --> 01:42:07,520
you know we we

2915
01:42:11,990 --> 01:42:09,360
we've stopped just long enough to pat

2916
01:42:13,590 --> 01:42:12,000
each other on the back and and we're

2917
01:42:15,189 --> 01:42:13,600
we're still moving forward we're not

2918
01:42:16,629 --> 01:42:15,199
resting on our laurels we're not sitting

2919
01:42:19,109 --> 01:42:16,639
down and relaxing and looking at our

2920
01:42:21,189 --> 01:42:19,119
achievements or accomplishments

2921
01:42:23,430 --> 01:42:21,199
because our art we're too focused on the

2922
01:42:24,390 --> 01:42:23,440
next hill we have to take

2923
01:42:26,070 --> 01:42:24,400
so

2924
01:42:28,629 --> 01:42:26,080
i think that's what you can expect you

2925
01:42:31,669 --> 01:42:28,639
know other than the mexico mexican food

2926
01:42:33,669 --> 01:42:31,679
in the margarita yes excellent now

2927
01:42:34,950 --> 01:42:33,679
before you go if if if you don't mind i

2928
01:42:36,390 --> 01:42:34,960
just want to read through the people

2929
01:42:38,149 --> 01:42:36,400
i've i've tried to

2930
01:42:39,350 --> 01:42:38,159
make a list of everybody that donated

2931
01:42:41,430 --> 01:42:39,360
i'm literally want to read their names

2932
01:42:43,350 --> 01:42:41,440
out for donating to this course so that

2933
01:42:47,109 --> 01:42:43,360
we can all thank them so paranormal

2934
01:42:49,910 --> 01:42:47,119
pixie lara zed prep dj san marco lee kim

2935
01:42:52,629 --> 01:42:49,920
39 william calamari witness citizen

2936
01:42:55,750 --> 01:42:52,639
david pierce ellie cahill tokyo drift

2937
01:42:58,709 --> 01:42:55,760
star nando eve clancy angel star rising

2938
01:43:01,189 --> 01:42:58,719
linda thompson teresa borns mel taylor

2939
01:43:04,149 --> 01:43:01,199
shelley montgomery paul vidal spring

2940
01:43:06,310 --> 01:43:04,159
inside noah campbell k kiera linda

2941
01:43:09,350 --> 01:43:06,320
thompson the unidentified celebrity

2942
01:43:12,229 --> 01:43:09,360
review carbine's right obi flair and

2943
01:43:14,790 --> 01:43:12,239
said prep again thank you all so much

2944
01:43:16,790 --> 01:43:14,800
every single one of you donated without

2945
01:43:19,750 --> 01:43:16,800
having a question regarding uap you

2946
01:43:21,189 --> 01:43:19,760
donated purely for the major thanks guys

2947
01:43:22,870 --> 01:43:21,199
great job

2948
01:43:24,870 --> 01:43:22,880
thank you for everyone all your

2949
01:43:27,109 --> 01:43:24,880
listeners out there and especially the

2950
01:43:29,350 --> 01:43:27,119
ones that donated for this cause

2951
01:43:31,430 --> 01:43:29,360
thank you thank you thank you um you

2952
01:43:33,430 --> 01:43:31,440
know a lot of those names i recognize i

2953
01:43:37,030 --> 01:43:33,440
try to say hi wherever i can

2954
01:43:39,270 --> 01:43:37,040
uh you know to to linda and company um

2955
01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:39,280
thank you it means a lot you're you're

2956
01:43:42,950 --> 01:43:40,800
you are helping

2957
01:43:46,149 --> 01:43:42,960
shape and improve the lives of of people

2958
01:43:48,950 --> 01:43:46,159
out there and um you know thank you for

2959
01:43:51,510 --> 01:43:48,960
to some small degree restoring my faith

2960
01:43:53,030 --> 01:43:51,520
and and my fellow humans um because

2961
01:43:54,629 --> 01:43:53,040
together we can there's no there's no

2962
01:43:56,950 --> 01:43:54,639
stopping what we can achieve there's no

2963
01:43:59,669 --> 01:43:56,960
stopping what we can do together so uh

2964
01:44:01,430 --> 01:43:59,679
and vinnie and dan huge major thanks for

2965
01:44:03,430 --> 01:44:01,440
you guys to put this on

2966
01:44:05,430 --> 01:44:03,440
um it's very generous of you to to

2967
01:44:06,950 --> 01:44:05,440
donate your super chat to to a good

2968
01:44:08,629 --> 01:44:06,960
cause like this especially people who

2969
01:44:11,109 --> 01:44:08,639
really need it right now

2970
01:44:13,109 --> 01:44:11,119
uh and i mean really need it and uh you

2971
01:44:17,030 --> 01:44:13,119
know thank you for what you do and you

2972
01:44:21,109 --> 01:44:17,040
know sean as always brother love you man

2973
01:44:22,550 --> 01:44:21,119
see you shortly so okay tomorrow yeah

2974
01:44:22,850 --> 01:44:22,560
we're actually talking about uh five

2975
01:44:25,510 --> 01:44:22,860
minutes

2976
01:44:27,030 --> 01:44:25,520
[Laughter]

2977
01:44:29,030 --> 01:44:27,040
well listen one thing i will say is to

2978
01:44:30,629 --> 01:44:29,040
everybody i will be showing proof of the

2979
01:44:32,229 --> 01:44:30,639
donation because i know that's going to

2980
01:44:34,310 --> 01:44:32,239
be the next thing that people ask me for

2981
01:44:35,830 --> 01:44:34,320
i will be showing that so listen

2982
01:44:37,430 --> 01:44:35,840
everybody and everybody that didn't

2983
01:44:39,270 --> 01:44:37,440
donate i just want to say thank you for

2984
01:44:41,430 --> 01:44:39,280
such a great and cordial chat room

2985
01:44:42,870 --> 01:44:41,440
tonight we don't seem to have any

2986
01:44:44,229 --> 01:44:42,880
you know

2987
01:44:45,830 --> 01:44:44,239
i don't know what the word is but

2988
01:44:48,790 --> 01:44:45,840
problems that say in the chat you have

2989
01:44:51,109 --> 01:44:48,800
all been so awesome and this is what we

2990
01:44:51,830 --> 01:44:51,119
want more of this is a great community

2991
01:44:54,390 --> 01:44:51,840
and

2992
01:44:57,030 --> 01:44:54,400
we we will go forward together so listen

2993
01:44:59,109 --> 01:44:57,040
dan thank you so much sean thank you so

2994
01:45:00,790 --> 01:44:59,119
much and lou thank you so much i really

2995
01:45:02,790 --> 01:45:00,800
appreciate all of you and we'll do this

2996
01:45:05,270 --> 01:45:02,800
again soon please

2997
01:45:07,109 --> 01:45:05,280
can't wait yeah absolutely